Me too. I can forgive the front (and rear) windscreen height inconsistencies but the sides look a bit like a junkyard retrofit. Even Jeep got this right with their 4-door models. Opting for solid panels in the cargo area rather than glass might take the sting out of it.
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Me too. I can forgive the front (and rear) windscreen height inconsistencies but the sides look a bit like a junkyard retrofit. Even Jeep got this right with their 4-door models. Opting for solid panels in the cargo area rather than glass might take the sting out of it.
FlyersFan76
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Yes definitely photoshop. He made couple more photoshops were were pretty good. I only saw them on my phone though.
Thedudeabides
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that is pure sex right there
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blueboy
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Good article. One of the interesting comments “Someone once said to me, ‘Trying to sell a pickup in the U.S., the home of the pickup, is like trying to sell espresso to the Italians,’” Ms. Falconer said.
Toyota, Nissan, and even Honda figured it out. Hopefully they do as well. Kinda reminds me of when Range Rover came to the US in 1987. Service, parts, where to buy, etc. was on people’s mind when the Rangie was introduced.
Thanks to Wolf for sharing this. It's another article that demonstrates that journalists are buying what Ineos is selling. Good sign.
Apparently, JLR are still trying to keep Ineos from selling the Gren. When the story gets finally gets told, I'd guess there'll be plenty of black hats to go around at JLR. Killing off the model hasn't made them any friends. Trying to stop the Gren has made them some enemies. "It just goes to show how wrong you can be."
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It’s fascinating how hard they’re trying to maintain that a vehicle like the Defender just could not be built in modern times. They screwed up big time. They massively underestimated the desire and market for the vehicle when the evidence was staring them in the face between Wrangler sales and demand for 25 year old Defender imports. I hope the Grenadier outpaces the Discovery 6 in sales at least in the US.
WreckITFrank
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I told them I would not post a pic of the middle seat box, so i wont, but the cushion is amazingly thin. The fold up rear portion is large, and its quite far from sitting flat. I agree, as stated that I use my LR4 as a pickup too at times, so this bummed me out quite a bit. I do have little ones, so at least the car seat is my excuse for now. The undercarriage is also very simple with lots of room, but he said it was full mock up with existing parts, so that will change with fuel tank and so on.
Got to look at a new 110 for the first time. Windows tinted so dark couldn't see inside.
The stylized faux checkerplate on the hood isn't 5 bar and it isn't flat. Pretty sure it's not a secure surface to place anything on.
This 110 had the word "Defender" on the outside in 8 different places, front, back, both sides and all 4 side steps. If it had the spare tire cover that would've made 9. I'd guess every time you add another accessory, like the lunchbox, you'll be adding another Def badge. Looks like they expected someone to say, "That's not a Defender," and they needed to be able to point to all the badges to prove it is.
Sorry to disappoint them, but no matter how many times you stamp it Defender, the badges don't change what it is and is not.
I believe the word "Defender" is all over the interior as well.
The Gren conjures up the Def in the mind of anyone who looks at it without the necessity of a Def badge.
The stylized faux checkerplate on the hood isn't 5 bar and it isn't flat. Pretty sure it's not a secure surface to place anything on.
This 110 had the word "Defender" on the outside in 8 different places, front, back, both sides and all 4 side steps. If it had the spare tire cover that would've made 9. I'd guess every time you add another accessory, like the lunchbox, you'll be adding another Def badge. Looks like they expected someone to say, "That's not a Defender," and they needed to be able to point to all the badges to prove it is.
Sorry to disappoint them, but no matter how many times you stamp it Defender, the badges don't change what it is and is not.
I believe the word "Defender" is all over the interior as well.
The Gren conjures up the Def in the mind of anyone who looks at it without the necessity of a Def badge.
Classic4X4
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I'm glad you brought up the tinted windows - praying the Grenadier keeps the transparency - If they ended up doing a dark tint I'd be out.
vtlandrover
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Totally agree about the tint... I bought both of my kids Subaru Foresters (safety is priority # 1) and prefer my son's base model to my daughter's fancier one because it's one of the last current vehicles that still has clear windows all the way around.
It will probably be based on the delivery market. Some countries don’t allow window tint. You can still get a new Range Rover without window tint. I also think some countries it’s an option. I seem to remember seeing both last time I was in Ireland.
Spec so far looks to be pretty heavy, as much as a 130 or more.
Not a youtube channel I normally would pay any attention too but I was bored and surfing for Grenadier content...
Between the two vids there's roughly an hour with an Ineos rep and one of the early mock-ups by pininfarina.it. It's mostly the usual fluff but with a few factoids thrown in...
1) By de-tuning the B57 diesel engine variant Ineos is expecting a 250K mile engine life. The gasoline engine isn't mentioned but it could be surmised that there will be some increased engine life with the reduced HP numbers (281 hp) versus the same engine in a typical BMW vehicle (394 hp).
2) The rep states that the transmission is to be capable of handling 1000Nm of torque behind a diesel engine. Those are the specs of a ZF8HP90 (or 95) transmission and not the oft-mentioned 8HP70. If true I am quite pleased as this was on my wish list. I assume a small fuel efficiency penalty will be the only real negative. 8HP90/95s are rated at 900 Nm behind a gasoline engine.
3) Chassis corrosion protection is spelled out. The frame will be powder coated over some kind of preliminary rust preventative finish and then cavity waxed. Steel body panels will be galvanized and doors, etc (roof skin?) will be aluminum. No real news there but it reveals a more integrated approach to the longevity issue. The frame is touted as being stiff enough to prevent door and hatch closure issues even with a wheel off the ground.
4) Warranty and financing options are bandied about. Grenadiers are not cheap but the rep makes Ineos appear dedicated to putting quality merchandise into the consumer's hands at a tolerable pain level. The rep hints at a 5 year warranty but doesn't commit. Details are promised by the end of April.
Grenadier VIP Event (Part 1) - Detailed tour of the Grenadier
Grenadier VIP Event (Part 2) - Q&A Session
Between the two vids there's roughly an hour with an Ineos rep and one of the early mock-ups by pininfarina.it. It's mostly the usual fluff but with a few factoids thrown in...
1) By de-tuning the B57 diesel engine variant Ineos is expecting a 250K mile engine life. The gasoline engine isn't mentioned but it could be surmised that there will be some increased engine life with the reduced HP numbers (281 hp) versus the same engine in a typical BMW vehicle (394 hp).
2) The rep states that the transmission is to be capable of handling 1000Nm of torque behind a diesel engine. Those are the specs of a ZF8HP90 (or 95) transmission and not the oft-mentioned 8HP70. If true I am quite pleased as this was on my wish list. I assume a small fuel efficiency penalty will be the only real negative. 8HP90/95s are rated at 900 Nm behind a gasoline engine.
3) Chassis corrosion protection is spelled out. The frame will be powder coated over some kind of preliminary rust preventative finish and then cavity waxed. Steel body panels will be galvanized and doors, etc (roof skin?) will be aluminum. No real news there but it reveals a more integrated approach to the longevity issue. The frame is touted as being stiff enough to prevent door and hatch closure issues even with a wheel off the ground.
4) Warranty and financing options are bandied about. Grenadiers are not cheap but the rep makes Ineos appear dedicated to putting quality merchandise into the consumer's hands at a tolerable pain level. The rep hints at a 5 year warranty but doesn't commit. Details are promised by the end of April.
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vtlandrover
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Thanks for distilling these videos into succinct topics not covered elsewhere. Living in a salty climate, I'm particularly interested in the corrosion protection piece. My 2012 Silverado had a painted frame; my 2016 Silverado was coated only in wax. By the end of the first winter, the entire chassis on the newer truck was brown and, with 6,000 miles on the odometer, the front calipers needed to be rebuilt along with warped rotors. NOT a warrantied repair. Although I sold it a year ago, my kids' 2006 Volvo XC70, on the other hand, was as clean underneath as the day it was new (exhaust aside). Quality hardware and steel throughout.
My buddy and I were discussing last night why Boston had to go to China for the world's largest cranes. They look like any other steel i-beams. We speculated that it may be the quality of the steel, as the newest U.S. smelters are over 100 years old, along with environmental regulation issues that may not exist in China. My long-winded point is, it will be interesting to know where Ineos sources materials from.
My buddy and I were discussing last night why Boston had to go to China for the world's largest cranes. They look like any other steel i-beams. We speculated that it may be the quality of the steel, as the newest U.S. smelters are over 100 years old, along with environmental regulation issues that may not exist in China. My long-winded point is, it will be interesting to know where Ineos sources materials from.
The old Def was almost a front mid-engine design, with most of the engine aft of the axle. The Series trucks were mid-engined. The Gren's front axle appears pulled back a little more from the bumper. Where Ineos places the engine in relation to the front axle makes a diff.
Regardless, the thing looks great. Would be awesome to have one.
Successor to the Def, yes. Replacement, no.
Regardless, the thing looks great. Would be awesome to have one.
Successor to the Def, yes. Replacement, no.
blueboy
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Your crane comment caught my attention. This is a good article on cranes. Having been involved with the new nuke in GB, Big Carl is pretty impressive.
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