Grenadier
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Hopefully it will be a B58 as there's some support in the aftermarket for durability upgrades and the like. I'd rather have an engine at the end of it's lifecycle than at the beginning as the chaces are better that the bugs have been worked out (and maybe not pushed to it's failure point). I guess Ineos could use one of the next generation of BMW engines but those look to be even more complicated and "optimized". What other options are there that will pass the coming worldwide emissions standards?
Supras run a different B58 variant than most current BMW cars. It has an earlier cylinder head design and different turbo amongst other things. It is one of the higher output versions, though. I doubt it will pass US emissions regulations much longer - if it even still does.
Supras run a different B58 variant than most current BMW cars. It has an earlier cylinder head design and different turbo amongst other things. It is one of the higher output versions, though. I doubt it will pass US emissions regulations much longer - if it even still does.
Thedudeabides
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I am debating a different chassis color on a 1968 mustang fastback I’m restoring with a RoadsterShop chassis, probably grey or ford blue if feeling bold. It’s just a cool way to add visual interest and highlight the mechanicals. Agree orange on grenadier would be great.
No such luck on the 8HP90 for the first UK/Euro models. Looks to be the 8HP76 behind the Diesel engine (B57) and the 8HP51 behind the Petrol (B58). Toyota Supras run the 8HP51 and max it out with their B58 version.
HP76 Gear Ratios
- 1st gear 5.00
- 2nd gear 3.20
- 3rd gear 2.14
- 4th gear 1.72
- 5th gear 1.31
- 6th gear 1.00
- 7th gear 0.82
- 8th gear 0.64
- Reverse -3.46
- Torque Limit: 750 NM (553 lb-ft)
8HP51 (Gen 3) Gear Ratios:
- 1st gear 5.25
- 2nd gear 3.36
- 3rd gear 2.17
- 4th gear 1.72
- 5th gear 1.32
- 6th gear 1.00
- 7th gear 0.82
- 8th gear 0.64
- Reverse -3.71
- Torque Limit: 500 NM (369 lb-ft)
The 8HP76 runs a slightly closer ratio and higher gears in 1st - 3rd with a total spread of 7.8125:1.
I'm not absolutely certain of these numbers.
The 8hp51 has a slightly wider ratio and lower numbers in the first few gears as well as in reverse with a spread of 8.2031:1
The 8HP51 gearing might help with moving heavier loads from stop with the lower torque gas engine. Fuel mileage might also be helped with a lighter transmission mass. I would assume both transmissions are capable of Stop/Start. There is mention of an upgraded torque converter.
Reserving opinion for the time being.
You gotta admit it's fun going through the specs and options list for a petrol model.
I didn't figure out everything, nor estimate a price to it optioned, but my imaginary Gren has a grey frame, white roof, baby blue paint with orange wrap front and rear door, 17" alloys.
Smokers pack is 45 gbp.
GVWR is the same as a 127" Def. Payload from 1,519 to 1,887 lbs.
Mpg from 15.4 to 18.2 (US).
Almost 24 gal (US) capacity.
Price is anyone's guess, but there are reference points, like the one mentioned of comparing UK and US prices on same BMW model. Maybe also compare UK vs. US pricing of new Rovers. Then there's the straight exchange rate, which varies. My rule of thumb over the years is to expect to pay roughly the same for something in the UK as in the US. Except the denomination is gbp, but the number itself is the same. Then consider the marketing strategy for the USA compared to the UK. Sometimes a company will cut prices to or below cost to establish itself in a new market, and/or drive out the competition. However, Ineos doesn't plan on a high volume, relatively speaking. So even though they've said the US market is a top focus, I doubt they need to lower prices to make their projections here. The demand for something like the Gren appears quite strong, and there are a few reasons why it could get even stronger.
I'm starting to get the idea that not only are Ineos onto a good thing, they might just know what they're doing with it.
I didn't figure out everything, nor estimate a price to it optioned, but my imaginary Gren has a grey frame, white roof, baby blue paint with orange wrap front and rear door, 17" alloys.
Smokers pack is 45 gbp.
GVWR is the same as a 127" Def. Payload from 1,519 to 1,887 lbs.
Mpg from 15.4 to 18.2 (US).
Almost 24 gal (US) capacity.
Price is anyone's guess, but there are reference points, like the one mentioned of comparing UK and US prices on same BMW model. Maybe also compare UK vs. US pricing of new Rovers. Then there's the straight exchange rate, which varies. My rule of thumb over the years is to expect to pay roughly the same for something in the UK as in the US. Except the denomination is gbp, but the number itself is the same. Then consider the marketing strategy for the USA compared to the UK. Sometimes a company will cut prices to or below cost to establish itself in a new market, and/or drive out the competition. However, Ineos doesn't plan on a high volume, relatively speaking. So even though they've said the US market is a top focus, I doubt they need to lower prices to make their projections here. The demand for something like the Gren appears quite strong, and there are a few reasons why it could get even stronger.
I'm starting to get the idea that not only are Ineos onto a good thing, they might just know what they're doing with it.
I'd guess the same. Easier to rack up high miles with less trouble and expense in the USA. A UK driver would spend a lot more on gas, and be likely to have to drive thru a bunch of different countries to do it.
rocky
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Much much lower. Under 8000 miles a year. https://www.bymiles.co.uk/insure/magazine/mot-data-research-and-analysis/#Appendix
I think the overall price in the USA is going to be $60-$70k. This is only because I'm converting from GBP or AUSD, so it's just a guess. It would be just outside of my price range, but a pretty good price if you compare it to Jeep or Land Rover Defender.
blueboy
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Will depend on projected exchange rate of GBP to US$ when priced and how much margin wanted. Plus how strong they want to enter the US market. Will be interesting to watch.
FlyersFan76
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The order books are open for the rest of the world. It could be fun to play with estimated pricing for us that need to wait.
vtlandrover
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Just visited the configurator and while I'm not a fan of checkerplate on a Land Rover, the description for the Grenadier reads: "... enabling you to stand on the front fenders without fear of damaging or denting the bodywork..." Pretty cool!
erover82
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Could be the first vehicle where the inevitable ARB option sticks out less.
I was impressed when they said they are bringing the double cab to the USA even though it will be - straight from them - not price competitive due to chicken tax. They don't expect it to sell a lot, but said they think it will sell enough to make it worth it.
I guess you're talking about the GM V8? I said an engine at the end of it's lifecycle... not after it's been thrown out on the rubbish tip, dusted off, and sold to a unsuspecting purchaser.
I don't know much about LR engine history so this is just good-natured ribbing
. I do love me some HS6 carburetors though.