Grenadier
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TravelinLight
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That was the Denver showing, great video!
Gren will look different in person than in pics. The view from the front is a vehicle's signature look. Designers wanted something different from all the rest and to project utility value rather than make a fashion statement. With the Gren, it's all about purpose, and "functional beauty." Current LR designs have become slaves to artistic ambition at the same time as practical utility is sacrificed. The way McGovern has shrunk the windows on Range Rovers is a good (bad?) example.
I'm all for the front bumper that you can sit on.
Just saw 4-door soft-top Bronco. I like it much more in person. Did not like the pics at all.
Tie down bars instead of Alpine glass is part of Gren flush with roof load system. If they add Alpine glass, they'll have to come up with different tie downs.
Being able to sight see in an SUV or camper or overland vehicle is a critical function. Sounds like the Gren could be better in that respect, but vehicles like the modern Toy FJ and Defender are worse. And regardless of aesthetics and scenic views, blind spots are a safety issue.
I'm all for the front bumper that you can sit on.
Just saw 4-door soft-top Bronco. I like it much more in person. Did not like the pics at all.
Tie down bars instead of Alpine glass is part of Gren flush with roof load system. If they add Alpine glass, they'll have to come up with different tie downs.
Being able to sight see in an SUV or camper or overland vehicle is a critical function. Sounds like the Gren could be better in that respect, but vehicles like the modern Toy FJ and Defender are worse. And regardless of aesthetics and scenic views, blind spots are a safety issue.
Good vid above.
Kick to see the guy step on the running board, grab the roof handle and step on the rear tire to access roof load. Can you imagine a LR rep doing that, or even seriously thinking about practical roof access?
When the front fascia is painted black, it smooths out the front end look. Add h/l guards and it'd work for me.
Winches and/or brush guards/bull bars will change up the front end look.
Kick to see the guy step on the running board, grab the roof handle and step on the rear tire to access roof load. Can you imagine a LR rep doing that, or even seriously thinking about practical roof access?
When the front fascia is painted black, it smooths out the front end look. Add h/l guards and it'd work for me.
Winches and/or brush guards/bull bars will change up the front end look.
I think the only real 'questions' I have about the vehicle are the seemingly fat underbelly front and rear. It may not be as bad as it looks in pics, because I have a feeling they are purposefully showing off the bash plates they have as stock, but it seems like a standard 1-2" lift, with taller tires might be the one thing you need with this vehicle. I do like a good roof rack as well, but I'd take it as is, even with that bumper.
broncoduecer
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Power steering reservoir looks familiar!
erover82
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Now that's heritage.
Siia109
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I didn't realize that the hood and body "indent" at the top of the fenders are not radius's but angled. I get why (cost) but it has a very different look to the eye.
I simply cant understand what I am doing wrong in life when I wince at the thought of an $80K+ vehicle in my driveway with those monthly nuts and yet massive amounts of people are trading them in and getting new ones like chicklets....
must be why my fleet's average age is 17 years old....
I simply cant understand what I am doing wrong in life when I wince at the thought of an $80K+ vehicle in my driveway with those monthly nuts and yet massive amounts of people are trading them in and getting new ones like chicklets....
must be why my fleet's average age is 17 years old....
That's exactly the thought I have. I'm just now at the point in life where, with two kids on their way off to college, a couple degrees under my belt, my wife and I both working full time, running a business on the side to supplement, and I might think about getting a loan on a car if it was something like a Grenadier. Blows my mind! But, more power to them; the more they buy, the more I can buy from them later! ...that said, I'm hoping to one day be able to buy a small airplane, so there is that...
This is a new one since the last one:
vtlandrover
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Can anyone that went to Denver comment on the 'tactile' experience? I understand that some interior components were still 3D, but did the switchgear feel good? Surface material of decent quality? Did opening/closing the doors feel robust? Sir Jim et al, if you're reading, please replicate the G-Mercedes bank vault door latching.
vtlandrover
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Props where props are due! The 'auto engine idle stop' disengagement button is big, on its own, and just forward of the parking brake handle. It looks like the driver can depress with their thumb when lowering the brake handle - not scan the console for some hidden symbol. Very cool and further evidence that people who care about purposeful/utilitarian design are at the helm.
I think I know what you're referring to. The Def has a waterfall radius at the top of the fender side, and the hood is similar. The Gren fenders have more of an angled break. The hood starts out angled at the rear but transitions to more of a soft subtle radius at the front.
Another reason may be that Ineos wants the Gren to have its own look for marketing purposes, something like a Def, but not too much. JLR attorneys don't want it to look at all like a Def.
Idk what it is and why it's good. Pls lmk. Thanks.
Buying a used car today is a lot less risky with CarFax and common 3-5 year factory warranties. First owner usually takes a hit on value as soon as they drive it home. I hope they sell enough to make a profit and stay in business. I'm guessing that the Gren would be a better fit than anything else for a lot of people, and that's a good thing.
vtlandrover
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@pfshoen - new car engines automatically turn off if at idle for more than a few seconds... i.e. at a red light. It's supposed to save on fuel and is gov't mandated. They do come with a deactivation button, but you can't set it to always be 'off.' Every time you start the car, you've got to proactively depress the button, and I find them to be almost hidden in most cars. On this prototype dash, the button is in the bottom left corner, away from everything else, and clearly intended to be easily located.
Siia109
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I did not realize it was a government regulation - I'm no auto engineer - but from what I understand of what happens when an engine first starts up it is at its most inefficient and likewise spews out more pollution until it can get up and running. Also what does this starting and stopping due to all the ancillaries that now need to kick in and out from the starter to the alternator to oil pump to all the other sensors, relays etc.
So for the small amount of fuel and pollution saved how much does this starting and stopping cost in worn out parts and inefficient pollution...
Not a direct government regulation, but car companies are punished for fractional MPG differences based on measurements made on a government track by government testers. Hence anything that can tweak as little as 1 MPG on the government test makes it worth it. Regardless if it makes the car shorter lived (and requiring resources to repair or make another) or whether several MPG (at best) is worth the cost and maintenance to the end buyer. Typical government interference in the market - you get a worse product, but at least it costs more.
I don’t think that’s true. Maybe a car from the 70s, but not a modern car.