WreckITFrank
Technical Excellence Contributor
going to see the grenadier tomorrow. i know it's been covered 1000 times, but if you have any questions, need measurements, or specific pics, let me know.
Yup. I’m suggesting that the world’s democracies need to embark on a rapid program to produce/secure those resources as well as diversify production (economies of scale be damned). You can’t fight a war or even sustain a modern economy without them. They are present but we have eschewed those industries because it is dirty and NIMBY environmentalists object, that has been a mistake and I hope people are waking up to that fact.The supply of precious materials for chip production has shrunk by 50% since the production stopped in Ukraine. Prices have risen 500% since December. China produces the other 50%.
Russia also holds the worlds supply of other vital raw materials.
Tell us how the doors close! And your impressions of quality, in general. Looking forward to hearing your impressions.going to see the grenadier tomorrow. i know it's been covered 1000 times, but if you have any questions, need measurements, or specific pics, let me know.
going to see the grenadier tomorrow. i know it's been covered 1000 times, but if you have any questions, need measurements, or specific pics, let me know.
I would say yes. The space for the driver was impressive and did not impede on the passengers. The floor had plenty of space.13) Is there room for a clutch pedal on LHD models? It looks very problematic for RHD models due to engine fitment concerns.
Jaw droppedView attachment 23356
Borrowed from a FB post.
Log into Facebook
Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know.www.facebook.com
Yea, looks very nice in the short wheel base.Jaw dropped
yeah, fold flat rear sits is a big miss IMO. Under the 2nd row cushion is main fuse block, spare battery, and a few other things, which is why he said the seats wont fold flat. I use my LR4 like a truck, so this is a consideration for me.Thanks to WreckITFrank.
The lower they mount the spare, the more you can see out the rear window.
LR3/4 has 90 cubes cargo cap with slick back seat foldaway flat. Gren folding seat looks old school. Wheel wells protrude quite a bit. Pretty important spec/dimension. I understand a bigger version is in the works.
Having to dip to look out the rear side windows has been noticed by others as well, and is disappointing. However, the tallest pass usually gets to ride shotgun, and kids and dogs will be happy, so as a practical matter, may be a minor shortcoming.
The August roll out seems optimistic. That the vehicle pictured here is more a mock-up than a pre-production prototype isn't a confidence builder. One prototype was driven by 4X4 mag UK and the report is quite positive. However, it wasn't fully equipped, e.g. no diff lockers.
They did note the suspension was quite firm, and works very well when pushed at higher speeds. The front was jolting at low speeds over corrugations. Ineos really needs to get this right to qualify as the successor to the Def. With coils and conventional dampers, they've got to thread a needle to do it. Needs to work at curb and gross weights, and everything in between.
View attachment 23356
Borrowed from a FB post.
Log into Facebook
Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know.www.facebook.com
Sorry, been busy. @TJS you have valid questions, but the bullet to this is that the drivetrain is fully bogus. The team asked me not to take any pictures of why I was under there, as he said it's not the final product and may simply be stand-in parts. The hood latch was broken, so no engine shots, but again he said it went like 20mph anyway and was no likely final product.
Here are my takeaways:
6. The light blue is actually a pretty cool color
7. BMW lost certification for diesel in the US, which is why they cannot include it now, but they are trying to bring it later
8. Wasnt sure if it will have a dipstick. He laughed and said that question is only asked from East Coasters
13. Estimated 5-year warranty, full-service guides, manuals, and parts sheets to the public. User field service will likely happen (do your own warranty)
Even with the under seat storage and battery/fuse block I'm not clear as to why the the rear wouldn't fold flat. Or get close to it. I don't know Defenders or other LR vehicles but it was common on older Land Cruiser wagons to have a rear seat bottom that was front hinged and tipped up against the rear of the front seats and a seat back that then folded forward nearly flat filling the space that the lower cushion normally occupied. I guess it could be from the very tall frame rails through the middle of the vehicle or other under-body space requirements (fuel tank, drive shaft/prop shaft, etc). Ideally I need the configurable space as I would also be using the Grenadier as a truck at times.yeah, fold flat rear sits is a big miss IMO. Under the 2nd row cushion is main fuse block, spare battery, and a few other things, which is why he said the seats wont fold flat. I use my LR4 like a truck, so this is a consideration for me.