2021 Ford Bronco, aka 2021 Defender 90 & 110

[Adam]

35” tires will come with the “Sasquatch” package, or on the Wildtrak trim level only. Without that option, it will come with smaller tires and flares.

Yes - but if you look, you really can't get F&R lockers w/out the Sasquatch package, which brings 35 inch tires and gearing for 35 inch tires with it. I want stockers (33ish), lockers and less aggressive gearing.

Also - all of their "capabilities" quotes are with the Sasquatch package, whether it be ground clearance, wading depth, what have you.

 

[Uncle Douglas]

seems we have Sasquatch hater in our midst

 

[chris snell]

I wouldn't order the lockers until I found out what they are. Is it a standard D44 rear? Will you be able to put a Detroit back there? We shall see.

I have no idea how lockers work for IFS setups. I've never owned a truck with IFS.

 

[donb]

I was talking to my BIL about this new Bronco this morning. I mentioned to him you could just get 2 of them and be cheaper than what most Nu-Defenders will be. Get a base level 2-dr soft top, manual gearbox for the kids, around town/beach/winter rig and a 4 door, V6, auto in Outer Banks for you or the SO as a non-bubble shape SUV daily driver.

 

[acheck]

Yes - but if you look, you really can't get F&R lockers w/out the Sasquatch package, which brings 35 inch tires and gearing for 35 inch tires with it. I want stockers (33ish), lockers and less aggressive gearing.

Also - all of their "capabilities" quotes are with the Sasquatch package, whether it be ground clearance, wading depth, what have you.

I believe the Badlands package includes the locking diffs with the 33" tires and normal flares.

 

[chris snell]

The million-dollar question: what size wheels and do they make XZLs for that size?

 

[acheck]

16's on the base model! i dont see any mention of upgraded brakes on other trims, so in theory 16s should fit on all of them.

 

[Adam]

This article does a good job :

Clearances depend on trim level, number of doors and, crucially, whether you outfit the Bronco in question with the segment-exclusive 35-inch tire option. There's at least 8.3 inches (Four-Door) or 8.4 inches (Two-Door) to start, but the big wheels bump it up to 11.5 and 11.6, respectively. The Jeep Wrangler starts off higher at 9.7, but tops out at 10.8 for the Rubicon.

The approach angle is 35.5 degrees for both body styles (43.2 with the big tires). The breakover angles are 21.1 degrees (29.0 with big tires) for the Two-Door and 20.0 (26.3) for the Four-Door. The departure angles are 29.8 degrees (37.2) for the Two-Door and 29.7 (37.0) for the Four-Door. In short, the base numbers are broadly less than what a base Wrangler can accomplish, but with the big tires, the Bronco can not only surpass a base Wrangler but effectively match the most capable Wrangler Rubicon.

I believe the Badlands package includes the locking diffs with the 33" tires and normal flares.

I must have overlooked that, thanks! The badlands may be what I look at then. Can't wait to test drive one.

seems we have Sasquatch hater in our midst

Oh I don't mind them (excepting the smell), but I want max range over max rock crawling.

 

[acheck]

The 2.3L 4 cylinder engine may be the better option of the two. it still has excellent power output and a far simpler overall package (in theory, probably half the moving parts including only 1 turbo v. 2).

and, good fuel economy. ford rangers with that engine are averaging in the low 20s in real world use.

Ford Ranger MPG - Actual MPG from 3,714 Ford Ranger owners

The most accurate Ford Ranger MPG estimates based on real world results of 57.4 million miles driven in 3,714 Ford Rangers

www.fuelly.com

not likely to get much better than that in any vehicle on 33s with poor aero.

 

[mgreenspan]

The rear locker is optional on various trim levels. The front appears to only come with the Sasquatch package. Buy the base model and put lockers in it if you’re obsessed with stock gearing for this increased range you require. The 33” tires are not stock. https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/conten...crossovers/bronco/pdf/21_Bronco_lineup_HR.pdf

There is no pleasing everyone. You can only get the 7 speed with the 2.3. You can’t get lots of the off-road tech without the 10 speed auto. But the absurdly low crawl ratio is only with the 7 speed. Just wait for the build and price to be active on the website and then you can see exactly what you can build for yourself.

Regardless, Ford has delivered a better off-road oriented vehicle than Land Rover did with their new Defender.

 

[Adam]

Regardless, Ford has delivered a better off-road oriented vehicle than Land Rover did with their new Defender.

These are just minor nits and you are 100% correct!

 

[brdhmltn]

Ford most likely had knowledge of the platform the new defender would have and most of the general specs enough to see where it would sit in the market. The cosmetics were probably not known then but all the future planning for development of the mechanicals they most likely knew from when they owned Land Rover. I may not ever buy a bronco, but they made it pretty much impossible for me to justify the new defender. That's only for me though!

 

[acheck]

ford sold land rover twelve years ago...

 

[rocky]

A little look at the chassis....and mechanicals......... Looks like Ford's 9.75 at least with the off road spec.

Solid rear axle.....

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en.relatedmedia.viewmore.image.html/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2020/07/13/all-new-2021-bronco-two-door-and-first-ever-four-door-models/_jcr_content/rightRailPar/relatedmedia_a8cd.html

Main page with lots more pix

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2020/07/13/all-new-2021-bronco-two-door-and-first-ever-four-door-models.html

 

[mgreenspan]

Rear axle is M220 Dana 44 AdvanTEK. Same on all models. Pretty sure it’s the exact same thing in the Wrangler Rubicons.

 

[blueboy]

One criteria that LR had to take into account was marketing the Defender on a global basis. Guessing Ford will be focusing on North America, Canada, and possibly some S.A. Countries. Doesn’t excuse all of how it turned out yet feel sure it had an influence.

 

[FlyersFan76]

One criteria that LR had to take into account was marketing the Defender on a global basis. Guessing Ford will be focusing on North America, Canada, and possibly some S.A. Countries. Doesn’t excuse all of how it turned out yet feel sure it had an influence.

I am almost liking the DC100 more at this point. At least it had a convertible as an option. Removable sliding cloth panel does not count as a soft top no matter how many times we were told by a person whose name will never be mentioned.

 

[mgreenspan]

Yeah... guarantee that the Bronco would sell like hot cakes in the UK.

 

[RBBailey]

Side note: I got a passing glance at a new Defender on the freeway just a few hours ago. Hardly knew what I was looking at, but better in person than in photos.
The Bronco looks to be a winner, but I don’t think I’d buy one. Would rather wait for the grenadier or a Toyota.

 

[RBBailey]

I’m buying one. Not sure if 2 door or 4, though. Wife loves the baby Bronco. Opportunity squandered, Gerry McGovern.

I don’t like the look of it, with what seems like probably horrible visibility. I also have an ongoing feud with Ford (my dad has owned several) in that, their products really don’t seem any better than Land Rover.

However, I see the appeal to it. And I 100% agree, and have for years, that Land Rover have completely missed the mark on the market.