2021 Ford Bronco, aka 2021 Defender 90 & 110
- Thread starter Adam
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LR totally missed the boat on the new Defender. Perhaps we need to add a new Bronco section here. 
mgreenspan
Founding Member
I’m buying one. Not sure if 2 door or 4, though. Wife loves the baby Bronco. Opportunity squandered, Gerry McGovern.
Mine will be a 2023 4 door when the extended warranty expires on my RR Sport.
I struggle with the Bronco on two counts.
One is range - I don't want or need 35 inch tires, nor do I want the gearing that goes along with it. My other concern is the engine availability & what kind of gas mileage we're talking about. The F150 seems to get ~20-26 Mpg with the 2.7l Turbo. That means real world is a bit less, loaded up a bit less... If this thing had a nice Diesel that could get me more range, I'd really be digging it (still am).
The other is the lack of a solid front axle. You can do a lot of magic with traction control, but the SFA is pretty key.
I could overlook the SFA if it had great range.
One is range - I don't want or need 35 inch tires, nor do I want the gearing that goes along with it. My other concern is the engine availability & what kind of gas mileage we're talking about. The F150 seems to get ~20-26 Mpg with the 2.7l Turbo. That means real world is a bit less, loaded up a bit less... If this thing had a nice Diesel that could get me more range, I'd really be digging it (still am).
The other is the lack of a solid front axle. You can do a lot of magic with traction control, but the SFA is pretty key.
I could overlook the SFA if it had great range.
I like how Ford does this at the end of the video which to me is encouraging owners to go off road and be stewards of the land. Meanwhile Land Rover was putting “professional driver on closed course. Do not attempt” on their Instagram photos from overland expo where we all know it is just randomn people driving them.
mgreenspan
Founding Member
Sorry man. No one gets 30 mpg in a 300tdi or any other engine loaded up. 20-26 from a 2.7 inline 4 cyl is great economy for what it is. 20-26 is what every choad gets out of their 200-300-2.8-whatever.
hillstrubl
Founding Member
I thought that until I got and wheeled my D3
I feel like the decision was made when Ford owned JLR that Land Rover would not compete in the same segment as Jeep and now what we’re seeing with Bronco. The Bronco concept from 2004 looked like it had been swiped from an LR sketchbook and lightly rebadged as a Ford concept.
When you say "at what cost", what costs are you referring to?
Initial purchase price
cost of diesel
cost of maintenance
reliability
economic impact
If you can be more specific I may be able to give you a better answer of why *I* like a diesel
acheck
Well-known member
Most all high-tech late model engines - gas or diesel - are "fraught" with similar problems. Emissions equipment failure, carbon buildup, etc. Direct injection gasoline has just as many, if not more, problems with high pressure fuel pumps and injectors.
Don't beat around the bush Bill, tell us how you feel.
Mack
Well-known member
35” tires will come with the “Sasquatch” package, or on the Wildtrak trim level only. Without that option, it will come with smaller tires and flares.