BarryO
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Didn't JLR just do that?
Grenadier
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WreckITFrank
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Ego? No way. that is a crowd source (paid) truck that will be on Mars, just Earth tested first.
I think price will determine if it goes fleet. Definitely seems to stick to the basic principles. but time will tell.
I'm really excited about this. If this actually happens, I want one.
Of course I will keep my Defender. I wouldn't do trips with my buddies in anything else. A Grenadier, for me, is a replacement for my Ram 2500. It's something fun to drive around, with 4WD and (hopefully) modern car dependability.
WreckITFrank
Technical Excellence Contributor
Likewise. The Grand Cherokee replacement for me, though I bought it for the diesel. Not thinking they will bring the BMW diesel here but there is hope since it lives here now. This really has nothing to do with my current Defender situation as if this unicorn comes to light, it will be my DD and the Defender will be ancillary ride.
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BarryO
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Have they published any performance figures for the Grenadier; e.g., payload, towing capacity? Just curious.
WreckITFrank
Technical Excellence Contributor
Not sure if confirmed but ineos said 2200lb carry payload. Engines will be BMW B57 Diesel and B58 Petrol straight sixers.
(Wiki)
B57
Manufacturer: Bayerische Motoren Werke AG
Cylinder bore: 84 mm (3.31 in)
Power output: 195–294 kW (265–400 PS; 261–394 hp)
Piston stroke: 90 mm (3.54 in)
Turbocharger: Single, Dual or Quad
Torque output: 620–760 N⋅m (457–561 lb⋅ft)
Compression ratio: 16.0:1 (B57D30C), 16.5:1
B58
Cylinder bore: 82 mm (3.23 in)
Block material: Closed-deck aluminium
Power output: 240–375 kW (326–510 PS; 322–503 hp)
Dry weight: 139 kg (306 lb)
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Piston stroke: 94.6 mm (3.72 in)
Torque output: 450–600 N⋅m (332–443 lb⋅ft)
(Wiki)
B57
Manufacturer: Bayerische Motoren Werke AG
Cylinder bore: 84 mm (3.31 in)
Power output: 195–294 kW (265–400 PS; 261–394 hp)
Piston stroke: 90 mm (3.54 in)
Turbocharger: Single, Dual or Quad
Torque output: 620–760 N⋅m (457–561 lb⋅ft)
Compression ratio: 16.0:1 (B57D30C), 16.5:1
B58
Cylinder bore: 82 mm (3.23 in)
Block material: Closed-deck aluminium
Power output: 240–375 kW (326–510 PS; 322–503 hp)
Dry weight: 139 kg (306 lb)
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Piston stroke: 94.6 mm (3.72 in)
Torque output: 450–600 N⋅m (332–443 lb⋅ft)
hillstrubl
Founding Member
Please Please Please Please bring the Diesel to the states
CDN38
Well-known member
Looks like they may be a change to where they are going to manufacture. They are looking at the Mercedes-Benz Hambach site in Moselle, France. It just came up for sale, and would probably be more cost effective than Wales.
www.bbc.com
Wales Ineos 4x4 vehicle plant 'suspended' in Bridgend
Plans to build a new factory next to the Ford plant in Bridgend are put on hold by firm Ineos.
BarryO
Well-known member
Looks like they may be a change to where they are going to manufacture. They are looking at the Mercedes-Benz Hambach site in Moselle, France. It just came up for sale, and would probably be more cost effective than Wales.
Wales Ineos 4x4 vehicle plant 'suspended' in Bridgend
Plans to build a new factory next to the Ford plant in Bridgend are put on hold by firm Ineos.
"I have told the CEO that abandoning Bridgend at this late stage, after so much effort and money has been invested in preparing the site, would be a terrible decision for Wales and the UK," said Mr Skates.
Yea, well, Brexit was a terrible decision for the UK, too. Elections have consequences. I bet they can pick up that old Smart Car factory for a decent price.
Landy_Andy
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I asked on their FB page if they were bringing the diesel & they said, yes. I was also surprised that I got a reply within 24hrs too !
Landy_Andy
Well-known member
Gonna need a emission compliment motor (be it gas or diesel), to get the project off the ground, get sales in the UK, Europe & US. Maybe they might make a special option for aid agencies that’s exempt with a more basic engine or BMW can ‘dumb down’ the diesel so it runs ‘bare bones’ without a lot of CANBUS stuff ??
The guy that makes the LRW videos said they’d been in discussions with his company & they run a very large fleet of 90’s era ROW spec 300tdi 110’s in Africa & Afghanistan etc. as ambulances.
Landy_Andy
Well-known member
Could also be tax implications too, could work out cheaper in the long run to pay duty into the UK rather than into the EU from the UK, also, EU, ROW and US is the larger market for LHD, making RHD more the niche product these days.
I doubt there any military vehicles made today that don’t have some kind of communications network such as CAN bus or Flexray
Landy_Andy
Well-known member
Maybe like my 5.3 LS, stripped out everything that it didn’t need... just have a stock ECM, minimum sensors & 2 O2’s.... just has 4 wires to make it run.
Nice, simple & reliable
Kelbo
Active member
Exactly
Landy_Andy
Well-known member
Sorta what I’m building, 5.3 LM7, NV4500, Behemoth doubler, LT230 then am making some 609 axles to get the lighter weight & ground clearance with almost D60 strength.