UnfrozenCaveman
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Any word on distribution / dealer network? Please don't tell me that it will be thru BMW dealers....
Grenadier
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WreckITFrank
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I have zero knowledge that anyone else does, but id almost put money on it. Probably specific trained service centers also, meaning the grenadier goes in to service at the local BMW shop.
Rivet
Founding Member
I created a Grenadier USA Facebook group (I know...a bit early) and shared that video. Mike is fun to watch and you have to love the accent.
Another great take from someone that actually uses and abuses Defenders in Africa posted the video below. What I like about the Grenadier, besides the looks, is the breadth of expertise that is involved in its development. INEOS is getting the best of the best for each component it seems. The BMW B57 diesel (not likely in the states) and B58 petrol are very potent powerplants. It will be mated to a ZF 8 speed auto which will also be interesting.
WreckITFrank
Technical Excellence Contributor
updated OP with the "key features" from PR, as well as the release shots.
Lots of great features which is part of what I love(d) about the Defender.
Lots of great features which is part of what I love(d) about the Defender.
Yeah, the guy in the LRW video has some really good points. I think a lot of it is too much to ask in the modern world (safety laws, and such) but once again, a Land Rover guy who is coming to the same conclusions. The more I think about it, if it does end up in the USA at a reasonable price, the more likely it is my Series and LWB will be my fun side projects, while a Grenadier becomes my daily. I'll never sell the Series. But at some point I may simply be done with the Defender and want to pass it on. Owning a "good" '95 LWB is so rare, I kind of have to keep it. I just feel that sometime in the next 10 years, I'll want a vehicle I can jump in and go without planning the maintenance program out 3 months in advance of a trip.
blueboy
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‘94 LWB more so.
The height of LR ownership craziness for us was my wife driving the company car behind the 109 from NY to our property in PA just to make sure.
I trust the Rangie for the most part although the electronics are now 26 years old.
We have 2 other vehicles I’d drive any where any time no sweat.
Must define what 'not selling well' means...
www.statista.com
Appears to be 17k units per year? 20k capacity factory seems reasonable
Land Rover global sales by model 2013-2019 | Statista
This statistic shows the number of Land Rover cars sold globally from 2013 to 2019, categorized by model.
www.statista.com
Appears to be 17k units per year? 20k capacity factory seems reasonable
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It’s Miata numbers for a niche product like the Miata. I’m really wondering if it can be made and sold in sufficient numbers to hold the price down and be viable. The point made by the fleet operator in the video about raiding the Toyota parts bin is very sensible.
It did not sell well because they did not update it in 47 years. It was out of date when it came out in 83. A proper modernized version has been desperately desired since 1970.
Must define what 'not selling well' means...
Land Rover global sales by model 2013-2019 | Statista
This statistic shows the number of Land Rover cars sold globally from 2013 to 2019, categorized by model.
Appears to be 17k units per year? 20k capacity factory seems reasonable
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Sorry, I didnt get a paywall googling. Updated above.
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You can see production number of real Land Rovers up to 1997 here: https://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.LR_production.html
Production peaked in 1975 at 52681.
Production peaked in 1975 at 52681.
SimonDewing
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For what its worth circa 1991 I went to a UK delaer to buy a new 110 as I wanted to preserve my 1957 series 1 diesel for a little longer and the Subaru I owned couldn't cope with the mud in the places I tended to try to take it.
It quickly became obvious the sales staff in the local dealer didn't want to sell defenders to those who actually used them, they were pushing the then new discovery to BMW owners. Turn up in a very muddy Subaru and they would not give you the time of day.
Ended up buying a second hand 1983 110 V8 CSW from one of the second line dealers.
I still own this one (shipped it over last year) which may say something about their chances of repeat business from me!
One lost sale for landrover and I am sure I am not alone, which possibly explains why the model didnt sell as well in later years.
Bought a D2 when we moved to the states, still have that one too, not perfect, way too much electrical crap to go wrong but it does the job after some suspension mods, skid plates and plastic part loss, removal or replacement.
If the Grenadier is half of what they promise (and I can buy one without electric windows, central locking, infotainment centre etc) I will be at the head of the line to buy one.
No interest in the current L/R lineup or any other available new vehicle so otherwise I guess I just keep rebuilding and using the ones I already own.
It quickly became obvious the sales staff in the local dealer didn't want to sell defenders to those who actually used them, they were pushing the then new discovery to BMW owners. Turn up in a very muddy Subaru and they would not give you the time of day.
Ended up buying a second hand 1983 110 V8 CSW from one of the second line dealers.
I still own this one (shipped it over last year) which may say something about their chances of repeat business from me!
One lost sale for landrover and I am sure I am not alone, which possibly explains why the model didnt sell as well in later years.
Bought a D2 when we moved to the states, still have that one too, not perfect, way too much electrical crap to go wrong but it does the job after some suspension mods, skid plates and plastic part loss, removal or replacement.
If the Grenadier is half of what they promise (and I can buy one without electric windows, central locking, infotainment centre etc) I will be at the head of the line to buy one.
No interest in the current L/R lineup or any other available new vehicle so otherwise I guess I just keep rebuilding and using the ones I already own.
WreckITFrank
Technical Excellence Contributor
Make sense. If there is a suitable plant available for purchase, it saves a lot of time using that over building a plant from scratch. But, most likely it is bargaining ploy to get better deals out of the Wales government. You do not become the richest man in Britain by playing nicely.
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Landy_Andy
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Maybe also a tax advantage now the UK is getting out of the EU.... ?
rocky
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Brexit has caused major disruptions to multiple layers of British industry. Coronavirus threw another spanner in the works. Portugal for example is on the travel no go list, due to its strong Brazilian connections. But getting inside the EU/Euro trading block has significant advantages especially if your supply line isn't built up yet.
BarryO
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Just a few hundred per year in the EU, with the rest apparently being commercial sales. Would commercial fleets go for the Grenadier? We'll see. It might end up being like the Cybertruck; i.e., just some billionaire's ego thing.Must define what 'not selling well' means...
Land Rover global sales by model 2013-2019 | Statista
This statistic shows the number of Land Rover cars sold globally from 2013 to 2019, categorized by model.
Appears to be 17k units per year? 20k capacity factory seems reasonable