WreckITFrank
Technical Excellence Contributor
Ron,
This is NAS-ROW gold. It's time for a thread.
This is NAS-ROW gold. It's time for a thread.
Tool Deals Thread
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Jeese Ron- your hoards !
Where was all this stuff when I used to come help you for a day?
Your ability to just pursue an itch is unrivaled.
Where was all this stuff when I used to come help you for a day?
Your ability to just pursue an itch is unrivaled.
evilfij
Well-known member
@jymmiejamz that makes sense as I had read that Bahco switched to cheaper stuff somewhat recently
I like Williams (I have a 1/4in set and the kobalt I have are Williams ) and the Williams wrenches the old Bahco look like are available on amazon
$133 10-19mm though. Snap-on is 3x that, and you can actually get a 14/10 Stahlwille for ~$90 when they are on .de. It’s missing a 16mm and an 18mm but it starts at 8mm.
The 13/10 which is just the normal length ISO/DIN standard is 60 euro
As I noted, I got the giant set of Stahlwille 13/26 but for smaller where you don’t want every wrench to 32mm, I would get 14. Here is the set I would get, the 14/17 which is 6-22mm inclusive for 133 euro
Some good deals floating around on Williams, but Amazon does not tell you what’s in the kits a lot of the time so you have to look at the catalog. So far I like German stuff a little better than Williams.
@WreckITFrank and @Uncle Douglas thanks for the positive (I think) feedback and you are both always welcome to stop by to wrench with the new stuff (that’s true for any rover person as many of you know). And, of course, I can come to places to hang out and bring some of the tools.
The Mueller Kuep wrench extender showed up. Super nice bit of kit and even came with a plastic wrench to show its use. I look forward to using it when the Stahlwille wrenches show up. Note it has a half inch hole so you can add a breaker bar to it. Eek!
I like Williams (I have a 1/4in set and the kobalt I have are Williams ) and the Williams wrenches the old Bahco look like are available on amazon
$133 10-19mm though. Snap-on is 3x that, and you can actually get a 14/10 Stahlwille for ~$90 when they are on .de. It’s missing a 16mm and an 18mm but it starts at 8mm.
The 13/10 which is just the normal length ISO/DIN standard is 60 euro
Stahlwille 13/10 Carat Open-Box Combination Spanner Set No. 13/10KT: Amazon.de: Baumarkt
Stahlwille 13/10 Carat Open-Box Combination Spanner Set No. 13/10KT: Amazon.de: Baumarkt
www.amazon.de
As I noted, I got the giant set of Stahlwille 13/26 but for smaller where you don’t want every wrench to 32mm, I would get 14. Here is the set I would get, the 14/17 which is 6-22mm inclusive for 133 euro
STAHLWILLE 96401005 14/17 Maulringschlüssel-Satz lang 17-tlg. OPEN-BOX, teilig, 6-22 mm: Amazon.de: Baumarkt
Elektro- und Handwerkzeuge online - STAHLWILLE 96401005 14/17 Maulringschlüssel-Satz lang 17-tlg. OPEN-BOX, teilig, 6-22 mm. STAHLWILLE 96401005 14/17 Maulringschlüssel-Satz lang 17-tlg. OPEN-BOX, teilig, 6-22 mm.
www.amazon.de
Some good deals floating around on Williams, but Amazon does not tell you what’s in the kits a lot of the time so you have to look at the catalog. So far I like German stuff a little better than Williams.
@WreckITFrank and @Uncle Douglas thanks for the positive (I think) feedback and you are both always welcome to stop by to wrench with the new stuff (that’s true for any rover person as many of you know). And, of course, I can come to places to hang out and bring some of the tools.
The Mueller Kuep wrench extender showed up. Super nice bit of kit and even came with a plastic wrench to show its use. I look forward to using it when the Stahlwille wrenches show up. Note it has a half inch hole so you can add a breaker bar to it. Eek!
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erover82
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Brought to mind the swivel ball to axle bolts. This would allow you to get at them, but as mentioned, at a price.
GEDORE 8792-14 Ring Spanner 16 Teeth 14 mm : Amazon.de: DIY & Tools
GEDORE 8792-14 Ring Spanner 16 Teeth 14 mm : Amazon.de: DIY & Tools
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The more pragmatic amongst us can just get this:
That has got to be the most brilliant tool I've seen in a while.
evilfij
Well-known member
How to spend $1000 on German tools from someone who spent close to $3000.
Wera combo kit 1/2 and 1/4 (~$250) on .de (or get the Hazet 935hp for the same price on Amazon Global)
Wera 3/8 kit (~$120 small or ~$215 big) on .de
Stahlwille wrenches ($70-290) on Amazon Global (I would get the 14/17 for ~$145)
$701 shipped with the Wera combo and big 3/8 kit.
Wera 13 pack chiseldrivers ($103) Chadstoolbox
mueller kuep wrench extender ($45) prime
Gedore 1/2 kit ($96) prime
Wera tool-check plus ($65) prime
$309 shipped.
Having played with the Hazet, the Gedore, and the Wera stuff, the Wera is my favorite. To start, the packaging and cases are the best. The stuff is all labeled into the foam on the cover (hazet is not labeled at all, Gedore is on the bottom foam, but the case is not great, and the Gedore combo has the labels in the top like Wera but it is in a chunky plastic case). The case is metal with rubber bumpers and latches and the fabric cases are amazingly high quality. The sockets are as good as the others, the bits are best in class, and the zyklop wobbly ratchet (and screw driver handles) are super comfortable to hold, has really great no backdrag (hazet seems to have high backdrag but the ratchets are beefy).
I realized the link I posted to Amazon.de for the Wera kits is wrong, so here it is again.
If I were going to do it all over, I would get the 1/4 and 1/2 set combo set with the screw driver handle and long bits and the small 3/8th metric set in the fabric pouch. Together it’s $431 US shipped for a very comprehensive set (and obviously you can order more stuff to combine shipping). I was trying to find the combo set when I was buying, but I could not find it in the US for anything reasonable so I went with the big 1/2in kit and then that spiraled. The extras you get with the big kits is not really worth the 2x price in my mind. Probably it’s worth it to get the big kit in 3/8 for the extra sockets, the wobble extension, bits etc, but the combo is the way forward over the big 1/2in kit. The only fault I see are no 1/2in sockets in 10-12mm and nothing bigger than 24mm. But that’s easy to fix. Buy the Gedore 1/2in kit for $96. It gets you a ton of sockets and a nice ratchet to beat on.
I am not sure I like the joker wrenches as much as the socket kits. The switch end is much better than gearwrench, but I have not got the hang of using the joker end. Ratcheting wrenches are really their own thing. You need a set, but which set is the one to have is not clear and I don’t think it is worth the money to go german over gearwrench or mountain or whatever.
On the other hand, the screwdrivers, my word are amazing. I am not sure the lazer tips make much of a difference so I would lean toward the big pack of chiseldrivers with the hex on the shaft to turn them. $103 at Chad’s and it includes the critical posidrive 1-3
chadstoolbox.com
Amazon global needs to send me my Stahlwille wrenches so I can play with my wrench extender (BTW matco resells it rebranded). I know I am recommending Stahlwille wrenches without laying hands on them, but literally everyone says they are the best.
The funny part is that I thought I would like Hazet the best, and they are great, but I just like the Wera better. You could just get the Hazet and skip getting the Wera and the Gedore and I thought about recommending that, but I just like the Wera stuff better.
Wera combo kit 1/2 and 1/4 (~$250) on .de (or get the Hazet 935hp for the same price on Amazon Global)
Wera 3/8 kit (~$120 small or ~$215 big) on .de
Stahlwille wrenches ($70-290) on Amazon Global (I would get the 14/17 for ~$145)
$701 shipped with the Wera combo and big 3/8 kit.
Wera 13 pack chiseldrivers ($103) Chadstoolbox
mueller kuep wrench extender ($45) prime
Gedore 1/2 kit ($96) prime
Wera tool-check plus ($65) prime
$309 shipped.
Having played with the Hazet, the Gedore, and the Wera stuff, the Wera is my favorite. To start, the packaging and cases are the best. The stuff is all labeled into the foam on the cover (hazet is not labeled at all, Gedore is on the bottom foam, but the case is not great, and the Gedore combo has the labels in the top like Wera but it is in a chunky plastic case). The case is metal with rubber bumpers and latches and the fabric cases are amazingly high quality. The sockets are as good as the others, the bits are best in class, and the zyklop wobbly ratchet (and screw driver handles) are super comfortable to hold, has really great no backdrag (hazet seems to have high backdrag but the ratchets are beefy).
I realized the link I posted to Amazon.de for the Wera kits is wrong, so here it is again.
If I were going to do it all over, I would get the 1/4 and 1/2 set combo set with the screw driver handle and long bits and the small 3/8th metric set in the fabric pouch. Together it’s $431 US shipped for a very comprehensive set (and obviously you can order more stuff to combine shipping). I was trying to find the combo set when I was buying, but I could not find it in the US for anything reasonable so I went with the big 1/2in kit and then that spiraled. The extras you get with the big kits is not really worth the 2x price in my mind. Probably it’s worth it to get the big kit in 3/8 for the extra sockets, the wobble extension, bits etc, but the combo is the way forward over the big 1/2in kit. The only fault I see are no 1/2in sockets in 10-12mm and nothing bigger than 24mm. But that’s easy to fix. Buy the Gedore 1/2in kit for $96. It gets you a ton of sockets and a nice ratchet to beat on.
I am not sure I like the joker wrenches as much as the socket kits. The switch end is much better than gearwrench, but I have not got the hang of using the joker end. Ratcheting wrenches are really their own thing. You need a set, but which set is the one to have is not clear and I don’t think it is worth the money to go german over gearwrench or mountain or whatever.
On the other hand, the screwdrivers, my word are amazing. I am not sure the lazer tips make much of a difference so I would lean toward the big pack of chiseldrivers with the hex on the shaft to turn them. $103 at Chad’s and it includes the critical posidrive 1-3
WERA 05133285001 Big Pack 900 Screwdriver 15 Pc set Kraftform Wera: Chiseldriver and rack
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Amazon global needs to send me my Stahlwille wrenches so I can play with my wrench extender (BTW matco resells it rebranded). I know I am recommending Stahlwille wrenches without laying hands on them, but literally everyone says they are the best.
The funny part is that I thought I would like Hazet the best, and they are great, but I just like the Wera better. You could just get the Hazet and skip getting the Wera and the Gedore and I thought about recommending that, but I just like the Wera stuff better.
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That Stahlwille stuff looks nice but is it really any better than Snap-on? I would probably be all over it if I was in Germany and had easy access to local warranty repair but here in the US, that's not at all practical. Snap-on is as local as the truck that stops by my area every Monday afternoon.
The service that I really wish I had is someone to come look at my Snap-on box and all of the crap in it and help me organize it and sell me the stuff I need to do this. Presumably that's the job of my Snap-on dealer and he will certainly sell me the stuff but he's far too busy to help me organize. I just suck at organization and it drives me nuts how my screwdrivers, for example, just roll all around the drawer. There's a way to do better but without good examples, I have nothing to go off of.
Anyway, back to tool deals discussion.
Who makes the very best grease gun?
The service that I really wish I had is someone to come look at my Snap-on box and all of the crap in it and help me organize it and sell me the stuff I need to do this. Presumably that's the job of my Snap-on dealer and he will certainly sell me the stuff but he's far too busy to help me organize. I just suck at organization and it drives me nuts how my screwdrivers, for example, just roll all around the drawer. There's a way to do better but without good examples, I have nothing to go off of.
Anyway, back to tool deals discussion.
Who makes the very best grease gun?
evilfij
Well-known member
@chris snell Snap on is 3x the price of Stahlwille. That’s the big thing. I don’t have a snap on guy nor do I use things enough to break them often other than torx bits for cage bolts.
There are differences, like the finish is different (polished v. matte), the open end on snap on is thicker, the beam on Stahlwille is thinner and a different profile, length options are different etc.
I have a lucas branded grease gun that works well. The cool people all seem to have the battery powered dewalt or Milwaukee ones.
As far as organization, watch YouTubes of “tool box tour” for ideas. Germans tend to put everything in proprietary sized foam sets designed to work with their carts. An example from hazet is the kit I posted above, that’s a 1/3 size foam. German tool boxes are smaller than your typical US snap on style so the foam fits, but not wall to wall (I put the Gedore 1/2in foam in my box). You also have the option of plastic trays for Stahlwille and Gedore which are easier to get the tools out. Wera sells plastic racks that screw to the wall for their screwdrivers. I have them, but I did not use them. For wrenches, the Germans are big on tool rolls. For sockets, they are big on cases, either fabric, metal, or plastic, usually with foam inserts. Most US people, at least pros, seem to use peg systems and racks A ton of options, none of which I have ever really used so I can’t comment.
After all the talking, I finally made an order on Amazon.de Put up or shut up I guess.
Tips: under about $1000 they don’t charge import duties, they do charge US state sales tax, but the advertised prices include German VAT which you don’t pay so that comes off at the end. Shipping goes up with each item but it really pays to combine items. You don’t get charged more if it comes in multiple shipments (I deleted the 916hpl to check). You do get charged a fee to pay in dollars, but I assume it’s a wash with credit card fees.
All of these wondrous stuff from the fatherland is setting me back $922 delivered. I had to cut a few items to get below the import duty (I had an extra Gedore 28mm, the Hazet lug nut wrench, and the $13 hazet screwdriver set)
With this order, I should be mostly done with this binge. My wish list is down to a long flexy 3/8ths ratchet. Then it’s onto power tools .... No ron no!
I ended up with the Hazet torque wrench in the box with the 17, 19, and extension. It was the best value. I added the Hazet protected lug nut sockets. I also got the 3/8th 8831hp and the 916hlp 1/2 long ratchets. I ordered the Stahlwille 14/17 wrenches (8-22mm) because they come in a tool roll and are longer than the 13/26 set I ordered. I also got the small set of Stahlwille ratcheting wrenches. I got a Stahlwille 1/2in long breaker bar. Oh, and a small Stahlwille file set. I filled out the Gedore 1/2 set sockets with 11, 14, and 28. I got a Gedore slide hammer, a Gedore punch set, and a Gedore bottle opener (the YouTube obsession with German bottle openers is insane check out autobahndan and this was the only one that apparently works well as an actual bottle opener as they all use screwdriver handles except this one).
Maybe I should have taken @JimC advice and bought a set, but I think I got more useful stuff. I don’t know. Everything I have bought adds up to $3870. Ouch. That’s a frame for the D90.
There are differences, like the finish is different (polished v. matte), the open end on snap on is thicker, the beam on Stahlwille is thinner and a different profile, length options are different etc.
I have a lucas branded grease gun that works well. The cool people all seem to have the battery powered dewalt or Milwaukee ones.
As far as organization, watch YouTubes of “tool box tour” for ideas. Germans tend to put everything in proprietary sized foam sets designed to work with their carts. An example from hazet is the kit I posted above, that’s a 1/3 size foam. German tool boxes are smaller than your typical US snap on style so the foam fits, but not wall to wall (I put the Gedore 1/2in foam in my box). You also have the option of plastic trays for Stahlwille and Gedore which are easier to get the tools out. Wera sells plastic racks that screw to the wall for their screwdrivers. I have them, but I did not use them. For wrenches, the Germans are big on tool rolls. For sockets, they are big on cases, either fabric, metal, or plastic, usually with foam inserts. Most US people, at least pros, seem to use peg systems and racks A ton of options, none of which I have ever really used so I can’t comment.
After all the talking, I finally made an order on Amazon.de Put up or shut up I guess.
Tips: under about $1000 they don’t charge import duties, they do charge US state sales tax, but the advertised prices include German VAT which you don’t pay so that comes off at the end. Shipping goes up with each item but it really pays to combine items. You don’t get charged more if it comes in multiple shipments (I deleted the 916hpl to check). You do get charged a fee to pay in dollars, but I assume it’s a wash with credit card fees.
All of these wondrous stuff from the fatherland is setting me back $922 delivered. I had to cut a few items to get below the import duty (I had an extra Gedore 28mm, the Hazet lug nut wrench, and the $13 hazet screwdriver set)
With this order, I should be mostly done with this binge. My wish list is down to a long flexy 3/8ths ratchet. Then it’s onto power tools .... No ron no!
I ended up with the Hazet torque wrench in the box with the 17, 19, and extension. It was the best value. I added the Hazet protected lug nut sockets. I also got the 3/8th 8831hp and the 916hlp 1/2 long ratchets. I ordered the Stahlwille 14/17 wrenches (8-22mm) because they come in a tool roll and are longer than the 13/26 set I ordered. I also got the small set of Stahlwille ratcheting wrenches. I got a Stahlwille 1/2in long breaker bar. Oh, and a small Stahlwille file set. I filled out the Gedore 1/2 set sockets with 11, 14, and 28. I got a Gedore slide hammer, a Gedore punch set, and a Gedore bottle opener (the YouTube obsession with German bottle openers is insane check out autobahndan and this was the only one that apparently works well as an actual bottle opener as they all use screwdriver handles except this one).
Maybe I should have taken @JimC advice and bought a set, but I think I got more useful stuff. I don’t know. Everything I have bought adds up to $3870. Ouch. That’s a frame for the D90.
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WreckITFrank
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Dibs on your peasant tools that no longer fit in your box. 
I wish I had access to my actual work tool box (it’s still in Santa Monica). I’ll see if I can find some pics. Aside from the one miscellaneous drawer everyone has, mine is super organized. Most of my coworkers thought I was serial killer because of it... or maybe for other reasons. I’ll take some pics today of my home box that I’ve been working out of for the past 6 months.
evilfij
Well-known member
Dibs on your peasant tools that no longer fit in your box.
Trade for electrical work at the castle?
You can use the Wera VDE insulated screwdriver set.
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Contractor
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I like both brands, but the Stahwille box end has a slight edge over the same end of a snap-on wrench. It’s slightly deeper and seems to just fit better. Maybe personal preference, but I give it an advantage.
Side by Side for reference:
SARTech
Well-known member
Not to start an argument only make an observation. On box end wrenches a good indication of the wrenches steel strength is the depth of the box end. The deeper the box end the weaker the steel, its the only way the wrench survives normal use. The thiner the end the stronger the steel. Its no argument that Snap-on has the metallurgy figured out. Another inspection point is how much chamfer is present from the upper portion of the box end to the wrench drive groves, the part that actually touches the fastener. On weaker steel this chamfer is larger again to compensate for the steels limitations but doing so makes the wrench less usable in thin or hard accessible fasteners.
evilfij
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Reese_D90
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This is not tool but a pretty neat fuse. Given the electrical challenges with rovers I thought I would pass this along. I am sure this has been posted before. I ordered a few from Amazon.
Ordered up another under hood light recently. I'll be donating this to the @JimC auto-shop for wayward rovers. It's a great way to get work done with plenty of light under the hood.
evilfij
Well-known member
$93! Is it even German?
I have these ($16 a pair rechargable) and a collection of headlamps. As all of you know, power in my garage consists of an orange extension cord from the house .... But I do like the one you linked. I have a shorter version from craftsman in a similar style that still holds up.
https://smile.amazon.com/Lmaytech-Rechargeable-360°Rotate-Flashlight-Inspection/dp/B07RC6KP19/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=under+hood+work+light&qid=1613071176&sprefix=under+ho&sr=8-8
I have these ($16 a pair rechargable) and a collection of headlamps. As all of you know, power in my garage consists of an orange extension cord from the house .... But I do like the one you linked. I have a shorter version from craftsman in a similar style that still holds up.
https://smile.amazon.com/Lmaytech-Rechargeable-360°Rotate-Flashlight-Inspection/dp/B07RC6KP19/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=under+hood+work+light&qid=1613071176&sprefix=under+ho&sr=8-8
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WreckITFrank
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I have the HF option from Braun. Works well and got for $20 during the sidewalk sale. Likely not the quality of @Adam option, but my ROW doesnt deserve NAS level tools.
www.harborfreight.com
845 Lumen LED Rechargeable Underhood Work Light
Amazing deals on this 845 Lumen Under Hood Work Light at Harbor Freight. Quality tools & low prices.
evilfij
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I have been better, but I did buy a few Gedore wrenches. I bought a 10x13 old style DIN combo and a 10mm and 13mm double end 6 point pipe looking wrenches. Like $25 all in. And a Hazet nut cup. $24 rip off but it’s hazet blue. And some bigger picks and a $5 metric tape measurer. The rest is stuff I ordered before .... my new justification is that I don’t have space for another vehicle but I do have space for tools.
Here is a link. Neat design. I think they are made in India as Gedore has had a plant there forever. Only 6 point german wrenches I have ever seen.
Here is a link. Neat design. I think they are made in India as Gedore has had a plant there forever. Only 6 point german wrenches I have ever seen.
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An under hood light is a total game changer for engine repairs, even in a dealership with white floors and LED lighting throughout.$93! Is it even German?
I have these ($16 a pair rechargable) and a collection of headlamps. As all of you know, power in my garage consists of an orange extension cord from the house .... But I do like the one you linked. I have a shorter version from craftsman in a similar style that still holds up.