Tool Deals Thread

jymmiejamz

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For cheaper European tools, I like Bahco, which is a Swedish subsidiary of Snap On. Their standard wrenches are awesome and used to be like $50 but last time I checked were $250.

I am generally extreme with regards to my opinion on tools. To me, it’s a waste of money to buy anything nicer than harbor freight unless you are buying Snap On. At my last job, almost ever tech in the shop bought harbor freight 1/2” impacts to remove 3.0/5.0 crank bolts because no other impacts would do it. Fwiw, 90% of my tools are Snap On.
 

evilfij

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And just because I can’t be trusted with an Amazon account, I bought this gedore blue (the real made in Germany stuff not the red) 1/2in drive set for $96


It’s actually cheaper to get the whole set (which comes with a wobble extension and sockets up to 32mm) than to just buy the 60 tooth ratchet. Why I felt I needed three new 1/2in drive German ratchet sets in the span of a month I don’t know, but I figured why not. Maybe I will do a tool review of all three when I have all three.
 

chris snell

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I love my Snap-on 3/8 cordless impact. I use it on fasteners to make jobs quicker, especially disassembly. It's perfect for all of the interior bits on these trucks, like removing seats and such.
 

evilfij

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Ya, my most used tool (other than a hammer) is my cordless impact (dewalt). I also have an electric 1/2in dewalt corded that I use for lug nuts removal (the 3/8ths is hit or miss on rover lug nuts). I always use a torque wrench. I have not used my compressor in years (although I did just fix it).

For those looking for Stahlwille deals, here are two sets from Amazon global store UK that are at very good prices (compared to what kc or Chad’s charges).

3/8in fine tooth 12 point set $174


1/4in fine tooth 6 point with bit driver $167


Not that I need them, but why not round out and get something from each four of the big German tool companies? I will probably get the 3/8 in set, but I am going to wait until my hazet set arrives to see what I think.

They also have some decent deals on wrenches, but I have not made up my mind on those. People seem to like the stahlwille offset wrenches. I don’t know.
 

evilfij

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I have a problem. I ordered the Stahlwille 3/8th set. What put me over the top was the gedore 1/2in set arrived. Wow is all I can say. It is built like a freight train and the ratchet has amazing precision in the way it feels. It’s very industrial feeling (I had no idea what people on reviews were saying when they said this but now I do). The Wera sets are much more fine and I am not putting a pipe on the end of a wobbly ratchet, but the gedore, I would have no issue putting a pipe on it. Only complaint is that there is no 14mm or 11mm (or 28mm for Land Rover swollen lug nuts). You can buy them separate, but I am not going to bother as I have plenty of sockets.

There are two sets left on Amazon for $96. I’d say that’s like 1/3 of what it should cost and not that much more than absolute crap sets in 1/2in metric 10 up to 32.

Selarately, by hex plus L keys arrived. I had pretty much given up on L-keys as they are all crap and I can never find the correct size or know whether they are metric or standard. Well, not this one. $30 well spent (especially because I did not have a 10). Hex plus seems to grip better too.

I am exclusively buying German tools going forward. I will report on the hazet and Stahlwille sets when they arrive. Those two and a set of metric wrenches and some pliars (cobra and some sort of cutting pliers) should give me a nice quick and fairly complete set to take with me when I go on trips. Currently I use a metrinch set I have had for a couple decades and is great for being compact and has held up well but the ratchet is sort of crap.
 

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JimC

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I think you should actually buy a cabinet full of good shit instead of having a bunch of small sets of good shit sitting around
 

evilfij

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@JimC Little late for that advice. :)

I did look at getting a cabinet set from one of the various suppliers (hazet, Stahlwille both have “Porsche” sets, Williams and others have some nice giant sets). I think you have a facom set? It seemed really nice (of course I used vice grips and the stuff I brought mostly). Is there a tool deal on a nice set? I could buy it and leave it at the other house.

The problem I have is that I already had a lot of tools even before this latest binge and a lot of them I like even if they are not the very best (estwing hammers, channel locks, old vice grips, even the Williams era kobalt socket sets) so it’s not like I am starting from scratch. I also need standard tools and a lot of the sets are metric only. The other issue is that top brands cabinet sets don’t give you much of a deal where you can piece something together for a lot less money that has a lot more stuff. And the cabinet sets get you 70-90% of what you need and then you are chasing specialty tools and oddball stuff. For example, they rarely have ratcheting wrenches which I use a ton so I would have to add those.

I guess if you are OCD a cabinet set makes sense, but I am a hoarder.

BTW here is an inexpensive Bahco set: $125 for 1/4 and 1/2 72 tooth all 12 point. As I understand it, they are Taiwan made, but the set is equivalent to the Hazet at $244 (or $205) or the Gedore at $207. The 1/4 and 1/2 sets with a screw driver and bits seem to be very popular in Europe.

Bahco ($125 for 72 tooth Taiwan)


Gadore set for comparison ($207 for German 60 tooth)


Hazet set I bought ($244 for German 90 tooth — the non-90 tooth is $205 and linked second)



I was actually seeing what this escapade cost me:

German Tool Purchases

Wera 1/2in set $375

Wera 3/8in set $285

Wera small 1/4in set $103

Wera Joker Switch Metric $340

Wera Joker metric 5 piece $60

Wera bond screwdriver $32


Wera L-keys metric $30

Wera insulated screwdriver interchangeable blades kit $36

Wera chisel driver set $103

Wera screwdrivers $30

Wera small screwdriver $2

Wera tool check plus $75 (went down to $65)

$1476 on Wera

Gedore 1/2in set $96

Hazet 1/2in and 1/4in set $244

Stahlwille 3/8in set $174

$514

Knipex 36in bolt cutters $111

Knipex cutters $20

$131 on Knipex

$2121 on German

Hammer dead blow $13 (it’s a hammer)

Gearwrench 6 point wrenches $45 (could not find German 6 point wrenches)

1/2in torque wrench $25 (don’t ask, I could not make up my mind what nice one to buy between the various German brands and I will just use it for lug nuts).

Channel lock pick set $10 (could not find German, these are American made and seem nice)

$93 on non-German crap

$2214 ouch

The italics ones I would not have bought it I could do it again. I’d get and may still get the Stahlwille or gedore 12 point wrenches instead of the normal jokers 5 piece and it would be like $10-50 more for a full set. Just need to figure out what set I want. The bond screwdriver is cool, but I don’t really like it so it’s now a junk drawer screwdriver for around the house. And I don’t need three 1/2in metric sets so one or two of those should go (I like them all — $375 for the Wera was really steep and it has all sorts of stuff like torx and hex I will use and the gedore was so cheap, but assuming it meets my expectations when it arrives I would probably keep the hazet if I had to have only one).
 

Adam

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I've been pretty happy buying used Matco and Snap On tools on eBay and what have you. The Snap On long handle ratcheting wrenches are clutch.

Bonus - when they need a rebuild, I drop them off with a buddy who is a mechanic and the Snap On guys do it free, no shipping.
 

JimC

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@evilfij i love all of it. My Facom haul, including a fancy 2000€ rolling workbench cost around 5-6000€. I just keep craftsman tools on the rolling plastic cart to beat on, but I can always roll the Facom chest up to where I’m at and know Ive got most things I need in there. It’s the same as you really, I bought it based on how I like to work.
 

evilfij

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The addiction continues.

So I have been using an assortment of metric wrenches craftsman US (6 and 12 points) some crap generic popular mechanics brand which, believe it or not, was my go to because it went to 22mm and the craftsman stopped at 19mm. I did unspeakable things (adjustable, channel locks, used SAE which I have to 1 1/2in in craftsman 6 point) when I had a nut bigger than 22mm ....

No longer .... After going back and forth between Hazet, Gedore, and Stahlwille $451 at Amazon Global and I have two sets of Stahlwille coming.

I went with Stahlwille mainly because the hazet sets I found stopped at 27 and while more expensive, the Stahlwille were a bigger discount than Gedore and more complete sets. And, unlike Gedore where you can find prices close to what Amazon was selling these for, I think these are deals because they are half what I could find elsewhere. And, overall, based on reviews, people seem to think Stahlwille wrenches are at least equal to hazet and better than gedore.

Links for those playing along at home (since this is a tool deals thread and I don’t have any affiliate link or anything on these just trying to share good deals):



As you can see, the first is normal combination wrenches 6-32 (no 31)

The second is the offset both end ring spanners 6-32mm (no 26, 29, 31). Necessary, no, but I like the style of them. Knuckle savers as they are sometimes called.

I have a Sunex 36mm combo wrench (bought for the fan clutch and yes my metric set went from 22mm with a gap to 36mm) so I should be good for metric 12 point wrenches until I die. Time to clear out another drawer in the box. I hope they fit in a thin drawer.

New total: $2665

I forgot to mention, this was my treat to myself for saving >$2k by doing my GT3 two year service myself.
 
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rocky

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I think you should actually buy a cabinet full of good shit instead of having a bunch of small sets of good shit sitting around

I'm trending towards having a wheeling set of tools that sticks together in a go bag just to make getting away for a weekend easy.....
 

evilfij

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I have a pelican case that serves that purpose. They have some tool specific cases, but I just have a big suit case. I also include recovery equipment.

The Hazet set showed up. The ratchets are super smooth (90 tooth v. 72 on Wera and 60 on the 1/2in Gedore) and super quiet. One thing I am not sure about whether I like or not is that they have no quick release, but the sockets pop on and off pretty easily with enough force that they don’t feel like they will fall off. The sockets don’t seem quite as beefy as gedore, but they are very nice. I am not sure why euro sets seem to be 1/4 and 1/2 with no 3/8 especially because the 1/4 ratchet is short. Glad I ordered the Stahlwille 3/8 set. I think this set will stay in the case most of the time and I will beat on the gedore set. It’s just too nice to use on rusty rovers.

One funny thing is that while the case is pretty nice (not as nice as wera) especially the handle and the little empty bins so you can set fasteners in it, and it was shipped in just the cardboard outer hazet box snd survived fine all the way from the UK so it’s plenty strong. But for some unknown reason the case does this and has a stand.

Germans ....

Oh, and I ordered a Mueller Kuep wrench extender. $10 off now $45 on Amazon. Works to 24mm so should be good for most things.
 

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evilfij

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@WreckITFrank thanks! I missed the 1/2in, but got a 3/8in for $22 after coupon from the same link. Since I missed out I got a sunex 1/2in full set 10-36mm (no 31) for $77. $100 total for a full set of good 3/8 and 1/2 impacts is not bad and will save me from using my fancy German stuff on impacts. Key thing is chromo which gearwrench and sunex have, but not to buy the really cheap ones which use CrV or something.


@rhygin384 So torque wrenches are hard, but before I get to them, here is one for anyone who wants a traveling tool kit. @JimC @rocky


$3000 delivered to the US from Amazon.de It seemed not to want to charge me sales tax either so that should help. Stahlwille, Hazet, Gedore (I assume Facom) all make a ton of kits, but it’s rare to see them on Amazon. Stahlwille was selling a rolling tool cart with some tools for 1150 euro on special which was a deal a while back (follow the instas for those types of specials).

You can buy from Amazon.de with your US prime or regular account, but you end up paying international shipping. For smaller stuff, the shipping is really expensive because Covid has shut down part of the German post office apparently. It used to be inexpensive. For big stuff in Stahlwille you can get about half price on what KC or Chad’s sells them for even after shipping. Small stuff the discount is smaller, but still substantial. If the product is on Amazon global, that seems to be the least expensive because shipping is free although worthwhile to check .de and .co.uk because global pulls from .co.uk

So torque wrenches. You can pick up a 1/2in torque wrench from any of the four for $150-250. There are a couple issues. One, the torque range seems to be narrower than US ones which is not a huge deal, but it’s an issue to consider which range or ranges you want. Two, the Germans seem to like torque tools where you add ends either a ratchet or a wrench end, to torque stuff. Because, Germans .... That can get crazy expensive. Here is an example:


This is what I am leaning toward in the 60-300 1/2in and the 3/8in sizes. You can then add wrench ends which is nice I guess. I have a precision instruments 3/4in torque wrench for the GT3 centerlocks. It’s what snap on rebrands so I am set there and the $25 a piece ones seem to be fine for now.

The Wera is a lot less money.


Hazet is close to Stahlwille price, but a bit less, and Gerdore is about the same as Stahlwille.


Stahlwille seems to be the best. Hazet the best deal.

Some are on global but it’s hit or miss. Here is a Hazet on global with a 17mm and 19mm sockets a short extension and a case (German ones you have to buy the case separately usually).

 

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evilfij

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Here is a video on Stahlwille torque wrenches.


Lots of YouTube videos on all four brands. All have good feedback.

The Stahlwille 40-200nm is on global for $220. I will probably end up with that one.


Global really has the best prices. Not sure it is worth $62 more than the Hazet or not. (The hazet with the case, extension, and 17mm and 19mm sockets seems like it might be better at $192 than the plain tool although I plan to buy the three piece lug nut socket set so superfluous ....).


Apparently the 1/2in Gedore 40-200nm was on sale for $159 at one point, but no more.

But if you want to go full baller german, you need the Gedore Dremometer



I blame this youtuber in part for my addiction ....
 
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evilfij

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For cheaper European tools, I like Bahco, which is a Swedish subsidiary of Snap On. Their standard wrenches are awesome and used to be like $50 but last time I checked were $250.

I am generally extreme with regards to my opinion on tools. To me, it’s a waste of money to buy anything nicer than harbor freight unless you are buying Snap On. At my last job, almost ever tech in the shop bought harbor freight 1/2” impacts to remove 3.0/5.0 crank bolts because no other impacts would do it. Fwiw, 90% of my tools are Snap On.

Ok is not $50, it’s $70, but Amazon Global has your Bahco wrenches. If the Stahlwille 14/10 ever comes back in stock, I’d lean toward that or a similar Gedore B set, but I have not tried Bahco


Here is my 1/2in drawer and my “Wera” drawer. Yes, that’s a double stack snap on box I got for $1500 off a Matco guy during the last recession. The only snap on tool in it is a pocket screwdriver I found in one of my cars left behind by a mechanic.

I decided the Gedore set goes in the 1/2 drawer for regular use.

The set in the white plastic box is a kobalt set from the Williams era I got 20 years ago. I don’t remember what I paid, but it was on close out and maybe it was $200. It served and serves me well (I broke the switch on the ratchet early on and although it still works the space in the box got a craftsman US ratchet). It’s main flaw was that it only had 12 point metric sockets. The sockets in the black tray are dewalt 6 point deep I bought recently, and, with the Gedore 6 points, gives me an almost full set of sockets. I have Gedore 11mm, 14mm and a couple of 28mm sockets (for swollen Land Rover chrome lug nuts) in my cart on Amazon.de where they are 8-10 euro each.

The loose ones are a craftsman 15/16ths six point deep (for series lug nuts), a 32mm deep impact (for transmission work), and a set of 12 point USA craftsman in the back.

The only adds I will have are a Stahlwille or Hazet long ratchet and a Stahlwille breaker bar.

I am waiting for the Stahlwille 3/8ths to arrive to make up my mind but I can’t find the Stahlwille cheap so it will probably be the Hazet 916hpl.



The Wera drawer is lead by these sets (1/2 large, 3/8 large, 1/4 small zyklop, and tool check plus).


Since this is tool deals, even with shipping I could have saved on them over what I paid at Chad’s and Amazon, if I combined shipping. Individually it’s really close. Also note that over about $1000 Amazon.de charges import duties so make sure to break up any big orders to stay under (check legal issues I don’t know about duties).

It also has gearwrench ratcheting mostly switch style which I have broken and replaced some, the Wera joker sets, the L-keys, and craftsman USA 6 (BTW if anyone has a spare 13mm 6 point I seems to be the only tool I have lost at the moment maybe it will turn up).

As far as how I use stuff, I prefer to grab a set of tools or wrenches and take them to the vehicle so I left them in the cases. Honestly, I have probably done 1/3 of the work on vehicles in my life with a stanly fiberglass claw hammer, vice grips, and the $200 metrinch set (using a craftsman 3/8ths ratchet) I bought for $20 at discount city or someplace like that in the philly ghetto 20 years ago. The ratchet I sort of broke, the open ends of the wrenches are useless, but I can get most stuff done with those tools. :)


If anyone cares, I will do more drawers.
 

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jymmiejamz

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Ok is not $50, it’s $70, but Amazon Global has your Bahco wrenches. If the Stahlwille 14/10 ever comes back in stock, I’d lean toward that or a similar Gedore B set, but I have not tried Bahco


Those are different than the ones I was talking about. The ones I had were really quite thick. I keep them in my truck, but I’ll dig them out one day and post a pic.

I had read in the past that they were made by Williams and they look identical to these.
 
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