Ineos and it's representatives have said on multiple occasions that the early U.S. reservation holders will not be subject to dealer mark-ups and add-ons. But not in writing.
Grenadier
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Ineos and it's representatives have said on multiple occasions that the early U.S. reservation holders will not be subject to dealer mark-ups and add-ons. But not in writing.
UnfrozenCaveman
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No dealer or authorized service between Chicago and Denver ... nope, not an "early adopter" here thanks anyway.
vtlandrover
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Two very different points of view:
crashnburn07
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If you select the hitch w/trailer wiring and the high load electrical panel, you get that 13-pin plug and a 2-pin Nato plug. Apparently the 13-pin is ROW standard for connecting caravans and the 2-pin Nato is not what many of us would think of (it's not a Sankey plug). In countries currently receiving vehicles there is some owner discussion as to how the 13-pin connector and 2-pin Nato plug are wired in the vehicle. This should lead to getting it all sorted out before NA deliveries start, but I don't think the connectors will change.
vtlandrover
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Well, this certainly might throw a wrench in things:
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Toyota USA on Instagram: "Nothing better than a comeback story. The legend returns… #LetsGoPlaces"
25K likes, 1,113 comments - toyotausa on June 12, 2023: "Nothing better than a comeback story. The legend returns… #LetsGoPlaces".
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I never heard of him before, but apparently he is a consultant for Jaguar Range Rover. He doesn't disclose this in the video so appears like a whiner.
The C&SC vid doesn't offer much but high expectations and blind faith.
Seems weird for him to be praising another vehicle while driving a perfectly good Def. People put hundreds of thousands of miles on diesel Defs. Not sure why he's so hot for a replacement that is more expensive with less payload. At how many miles will he consider his new Gren wrung out and ready to trade in?
Maybe the more important spec is the thinest part of the frame, not the thickest.
I don't get the requirement that the interior can be hosed out. That's what removable mats/seatcovers are for. Imho, anyone who does that is asking for trouble. I've seen too much corrosion and electrical gremlins in all types of vehicles to buy that.
Reminds me of sneakers they say you can run thru the clothes washer machine. You can do that, but they may come out all beat to hell.
Seems weird for him to be praising another vehicle while driving a perfectly good Def. People put hundreds of thousands of miles on diesel Defs. Not sure why he's so hot for a replacement that is more expensive with less payload. At how many miles will he consider his new Gren wrung out and ready to trade in?
Maybe the more important spec is the thinest part of the frame, not the thickest.
I don't get the requirement that the interior can be hosed out. That's what removable mats/seatcovers are for. Imho, anyone who does that is asking for trouble. I've seen too much corrosion and electrical gremlins in all types of vehicles to buy that.
Reminds me of sneakers they say you can run thru the clothes washer machine. You can do that, but they may come out all beat to hell.
Now his opinion makes sense: Newfender is better, just because. Lol.
vtlandrover
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He's a respected auto journalist and founder of the highly successful "Evo" magazine... as a long-time owner of a variety of supercars from the 1980s, including a Countach that he had the power steering removed from during a 3-year restoration (so there'd be better feedback), I think he's got the "chops" to comment on old technology v. new. I agree that he owes his audience a caveat if he's a paid spokesperson for JLR, while offering a critique of a competitor. However, I regard whiners as people who render a negative opinion without the real-world experience to back it up... which is why I bristle at all the people on this site and defendersource who tell me that the new Defender sux in this way or that - when they've never been in one. As I've said repeatedly and aesthetics aside, during the 25,000 miles I've driven mine, it's been nothing short of exceptional. Towing a 7,500 lb Grady White through the city of Boston has taught me that I'd much rather be behind the wheel of my 2022 110 than my 1986... and if the Grenadier's steering makes it vague on the highway, it'll be a factor to consider in whether it becomes a "one car solution" or necessitates a back-up for heavier duty tasks. I have a deposit on the Grenadier and one eye out on the Rivian and the GX/Land Cruiser... whether I keep or even reup the Defender as my "one car solution" will be determined after I've driven all.
Harry Metcalf is the founder of EVO Magazine. He can get pretty much any car he wants from any maker to test. I was looking forward to his video as I have a ton of respect and he typically sees things similar to me. He definitely pointed out some Euro market issues, but bottom line was that the vehicle is priced and designed for reliability, but it takes real world ownership and long term time to earn a reputation for reliability. His use case was kind of iffy also, which I get. One issue I had with his video is that he's normally very comparative. But on the grenadier he did not give many comparisons to judge. I dont see what his reference points are.
blueboy
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Road & Track article mentioned not sure which version will be here. The full size or the smaller Prado version. If the full size it could be an interesting option.Well, this certainly might throw a wrench in things:
Toyota USA on Instagram: "Nothing better than a comeback story. The legend returns… #LetsGoPlaces"
25K likes, 1,113 comments - toyotausa on June 12, 2023: "Nothing better than a comeback story. The legend returns… #LetsGoPlaces".
dcg
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I only watch Harry for his Land Rover content, but I like it. I saw the Harry's Farm on the Grenadier. What stood out to me is his frustration with how the diff locks function and his seeming unwillingness to learn to use them. He was literally mashing on them. Clearly the Grenadier is not for his use cases. He's a class act, but was surprised by his negativity regarding the Grenadier. I consider his content to be balanced.
I wish I was buying a Grenadier, but it would be our only modern vehicle... and with no service within 2 hours as well as the cost and interest rates, I'd rather wait a few years. I really want to support Ineos out of the gate and believe in what they are doing.
I wish I was buying a Grenadier, but it would be our only modern vehicle... and with no service within 2 hours as well as the cost and interest rates, I'd rather wait a few years. I really want to support Ineos out of the gate and believe in what they are doing.