Cummins Repower ISF 2.8 for Defenders

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chris snell

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Oh man, I want one. Do any of the big Cummins tuner companies offer aftermarket programming devices for the ISF 2.8?
 

Uncle Douglas

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The Cummins 2.8 will be available for sale to the public starting next Friday. The price is
$8,999 direct from Cummins.
 

Uncle Douglas

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Oh man, I want one. Do any of the big Cummins tuner companies offer aftermarket programming devices for the ISF 2.8?

Cummins has already reflashed most of our ecu's once. I pushed for the 208hp/ and crazy torque numbers but they said they need data back from these beta engines but that we could have that program later.
 

Uncle Douglas

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Jeff,
25 yrs newer technology, readily available parts, way more torque....
Let me finish this and come drive it. You are good friends with myself and the owner,
come develop your own opinion rather than have me give it to you.

She's far from stock. GBR diffs, trick radius and trailing arms. Uber long RTE progressive springs, rear A frame drop block, RTE spring retainer plates, and loop to loop shock conversion parts.The 35 x 12.5's shipped Wed. Stayed with all OEM rubber bushings.
Galv chassis, stainless brake pipes, SD 8 point external cage.

Cummins has asked me three times to price out building them a display D2 and to give them a time line. Haven't had time.
 

Uncle Douglas

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9k without a trans ?
Correct. Ask one of the guys doing an LS swap what the components cost NEW. Not junkyard stuff, new components with warranty's.
I compared costs in a conversation with Ash @ Geared and he said his cost for a crate LS with wiring harness and ecm, 6l80e
with harness and tcm, and Nick's adapter to the lt230 is $14k.

The Cummins comes with the harness and ECM. I am using the same 6L80e and trans harness and tcm. I am also using Nick's adapter from the 6l80e to lt230. Costs are nearly identical. One gets 10-13 mpg and goes like hell and sounds super cool but stops every 130-150 miles for fuel. The other is a 4 cyl diesel putting out hp and torque numbers similar to an Rover 3.9 or 4.0 V8 and gets 25+ mpg and has a 5 hr/350 mile (more for a 110) or so range depending on which tank you have. Its not an apples to apples comparison @ all. How you lean depends on how you will use your truck.
 

Napalm00

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I'm not saying the pricing is a bad thing I just didn't understand what the actual pricing includes. The guys putting in LS engines aren't buying junkyard Motors I think they're doing it the wrong way but that's just me
 

Uncle Douglas

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I'm not saying the pricing is a bad thing I just didn't understand what the actual pricing includes. The guys putting in LS engines weren't buying junkyard Motors I think they're doing it the wrong way but that's just me

Shops aren't but the diy guys are.
 

Napalm00

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Fair enough I guess if you are leaning on a shop to do an engine swap for you then a high price as to be expected
 

rocky

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I'm willing to bet that a good proportion of LS swaps also have may other updates and upgrades happening at the same time. So $14k for crate conversion is just a starting point.

The thought of being able to do 25mpg rather than 14mpg on a good day, has me feeling like this:
 

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Uncle Douglas

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Fair enough I guess if you are leaning on a shop to do an engine swap for you then a high price as to be expected


Crate engines carry a manufacturers multi year warranty and support. Junk yard engines come with a snicker and a wave good bye.

Didn't you have issues with a used engine ?
 

Uncle Douglas

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I'm willing to bet that a good proportion of LS swaps also have may other updates and upgrades happening at the same time. So $14k for crate conversion is just a starting point.

The thought of being able to do 25mpg rather than 14mpg on a good day, has me feeling like this:

That is a shops cost for the components- not the conversion cost.
 
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