Bring a Trailer Defender Auction Criticism

[BarryO]

I talked with one of the panel members on the Hagerty/RM Sotheby’s panel for “Pick of the Litter” panel in Scottsdale. Granted the panel was about Porsche. However he indicated that less the 1K miles is very low, even less than 10K is low. They can demand crazy money. Start creeping up and that “value” diminishes greatly. Your 50-60K “low mileage creampuff”? Drive it. Literally, he said at that point it’s collectibility is extremely lower. I am sure that can be applied across Marques. Oh and low volume is measured in hundreds, not thousands of vehicles made. It’s just what he said, one opinion.

Yea, that LE was not extremely low mileage (although it was one of only 300). Plus it had a bunch of bolt-on/rivet-on crap that wasn't the way it came from the factory (e.g., those headlamp "guards"). Contrast that with the ~1500 mile 97 ST that was bone-stock and sold last month for $207K

 

[xplorutah]

Comparing Gooding and Sotheby's to Barret Jackson's results isnt quite right.
They were all three selling cars in the same town the same week.

You are very right. Barrett is the Walmart of the auctions there. Gooding/Sotheby's/Bonhams tend to be more refined?(Not sure how to contrast them). And volume is different as well. Barrett had 1950-ish cars on auction. The other three tend to be <150 on offer. GSB also tend to focus on prewar/european/supercar type offerings.

The style of auction is also more to my liking. Barrett is loud and obnoxious, very cattle call, an assault on the senses in every way. They have everything...need a mattress? Jewelry? Fine china? The others tend to have a Brit standing up there harassing money (in a funny and good natured way) out of the bidders. Charlie at Gooding is great fun to watch.

And to be honest, GSB tend to focus on collector cars. Barrett has those, but also cars that are nothing more than an old used up car, and I am not talking barn find.

I have been going down to Scottsdale for 10+ years now to see the auctions. I have been to all of them at one time or another. Last year one of the guys I go with bought a 911 at RM Sotheby's, that was a fun experience. When there I spend my time at Gooding, Bonhams, and RM Sotheby's - then Goldwater Brewing!

 

[JimC]

Hey-soos H Krees-tos, the yellow POS is now over 32.5k. The buyer is insane or a shill (jumped 7500 in a single bid) though I would think BaT would have safeguards against that. I really hope any buyer has inspected the truck in-person but I doubt they have...

 

[JimC]

The yellow heap sold for 46k. Please someone tell me that I’m missing something! How could anyone be duped into seeing 46k in value here? Are the seats stuffed with cocaine?

 

[Red90]

$12k max around these parts.

 

[Terrapintige]

The yellow heap sold for 46k. Please someone tell me that I’m missing something! How could anyone be duped into seeing 46k in value here? Are the seats stuffed with cocaine?

There's a sucker born every minute.
P. T. Barnum

 

[xplorutah]

Did you guys see what the very cool 88" sell for on BaT. Too much I think but very cool nonetheless.

 

[BarryO]

The yellow heap sold for 46k. Please someone tell me that I’m missing something! How could anyone be duped into seeing 46k in value here? Are the seats stuffed with cocaine?

Unbelievable. I had friends in college that got their rigs painted by Earl Scheib for $75 that looked far, far better than this.

 

[JimC]

1989 Land Rover 110 200Tdi

Bid for the chance to own a 1989 Land Rover 110 200Tdi at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #27,604.

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Oh good heck. Can someone help parse how this engine has been cobbled together? It looks like a 200tdi front cover and ancillary configuration but it’s got the lower turbo off of, presumably, a 300tdi. The truck has some positive aspects but the comments as usual drag it down. Wagonboy is talking about his enthusiasm for the roof rack, and the resident schlock purveyor is offering hype in the form of hearts. Lame.

 

[JimC]

No Reserve: 1988 Land Rover Santana 90 Diesel

Bid for the chance to own a No Reserve: 1988 Land Rover Santana 90 Diesel at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #27,613.

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How do they just casually explain the missing turbo and act like that’s a feature? I guess it’s a feature in the Microsoft sense of the word.

 

[Napalm00]

1989 Land Rover 110 200Tdi

Bid for the chance to own a 1989 Land Rover 110 200Tdi at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #27,604.

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Oh good heck. Can someone help parse how this engine has been cobbled together? It looks like a 200tdi front cover and ancillary configuration but it’s got the lower turbo off of, presumably, a 300tdi. The truck has some positive aspects but the comments as usual drag it down. Wagonboy is talking about his enthusiasm for the roof rack, and the resident schlock purveyor is offering hype in the form of hearts. Lame.

its a disco 200tdi with a 300tdi engine cover and a early type airfilter setup

 

[Uncle Douglas]

1989 Land Rover 110 200Tdi

Bid for the chance to own a 1989 Land Rover 110 200Tdi at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #27,604.

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Oh good heck. Can someone help parse how this engine has been cobbled together? It looks like a 200tdi front cover and ancillary configuration but it’s got the lower turbo off of, presumably, a 300tdi. The truck has some positive aspects but the comments as usual drag it down. Wagonboy is talking about his enthusiasm for the roof rack, and the resident schlock purveyor is offering hype in the form of hearts. Lame.

Looks like a stock disco 200 into a defender install. The late disco engines came with the rubber insulator/cover like the 300's. Very popular swap because of the shortage of the defender version of that engine.
I'm not seeing/getting the comments here and on BAT about this truck. Its a 30 yr old land rover currently not even @ $3k. What am I missing ? Why the hate ?

 

[1of40]

its a disco 200tdi with a 300tdi engine cover and a early type airfilter setup

Correct, I have the same poor-guy’s 300 config.

 

[JimC]

No Reserve: 1987 Land Rover 110 300Tdi

Bid for the chance to own a No Reserve: 1987 Land Rover 110 300Tdi at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #28,026.

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Another half-assed body+on refurbishment characterized as a “six figure restoration” by this seller. Random rivets, painted seals, and who knows what else. Also, the turbo piping is weird, looks like a replacement engine out of a tdi disco.

 

[KGH]

I never really looked at BaT until this thread. What utter fucking garbage. That yellow truck is a max 18K rig IMO.

I need mind bleach to unsee that site.

 

[hillstrubl]

Correct!
When you replace an old frame with new, you do NOT stamp your new frame with your old VIN.
Just leave it blank.

That's what ECR does, and they've been doing this for a while now.


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Cut out the stamp and include it with sale? Agree to not restamp

 

[Napalm00]

The usual suspects are out in this auction again. Same idiots circle jerking each other.

This seller also made the claim that the engine only has a thousand miles on it since a rebuild, looks to me like it's just been power washed and it's missed a few places.

The only way to combat idiots like this is to call them out calmly, This guy's going to keep ripping people off with macco paint jobs...and laugh all the way to the bank.

only difference between bat and eBay is the guys on eBay get away with it everyday without any feedback whatsoever.

 

[signalMTB]

Since 2017 we / I / Second Daily have and continue my best to recruit knowledgeable honest sellers and members (to help inform the community). I've had to turn away several trucks that were illegal, blatantly illegal in some cases. We've had to pull down a couple of auctions where we learned the truck was (grossly) misrepresented. With that, I appreciate all of those who have supported us through the years, and hope to continue it with community support like you all.

Somewhat related, BaT blocks all my comments, so can someone please post on that 1987 LR 110 tdi300 swap to simply ask the seller 'who did the engine work and can he provide documentation for it?" It's a simple thing, he imported it himself in Oct and the swap was claimed to have been done just recently, so it's not lost to history. Travelling to Virginia doesn't mean you forgot who did it and what was done, a simple comment before the auction closes would suffice.

 

[meatblanket]

Car dealers sometimes can't help themselves. There are > 150 pictures and so many of them are shots of the exterior with a pretty background and those are pretty worthless in terms of assessing the condition of the vehicle. If there were detailed close up shots of the problem areas that would inspire more confidence, assuming the truck is being represented accurately. So a big selling point is the fresh 300tdi, and there are 4 crappy pics of this and I can't even tell by looking at those if the glow plugs have wires going to them or not. Really shitty job here by the seller, but if it works (looks like it's going to) then who am I to question it??

 

[Napalm00]

Big call-out here is that the claim of a 1k rebuilt engine is not even in the original ad. He said it in the comments.

Why wouldn't you put that in the ad if you actually had done it ?