Bring a Trailer Defender Auction Criticism

JimC

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We didn’t have to wait long. It surprises me when I hear about people being turned away by BaT, because it’s not because they’re screening for premium stuff...


This is pure trash. So many low-light photos, so much overspray, so much woofer-box carpet. It doesn’t just evince crimes against Land Rovers, there are copious affronts to craftsmanship and common sense. Are the side window grates removable? Looks like they’re not, care to ever wash those windows? Paint is everywhere, nothing was removed before the occupied-Palestine respray. There is already bubbling coming through the paint. It’s not even a candidate for a complete restoration, because that would require some good parts to start with.

The only way to sell a vehicle like this in good conscience is at auction where you convince yourself that the seller is at fault for screwing themselves. While it may be offered at no reserve, a more honest description would advertise it as nothing more than a trail-rig beater.
 

Z.G

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We didn’t have to wait long. It surprises me when I hear about people being turned away by BaT, because it’s not because they’re screening for premium stuff...


This is pure trash. So many low-light photos, so much overspray, so much woofer-box carpet. It doesn’t just evince crimes against Land Rovers, there are copious affronts to craftsmanship and common sense. Are the side window grates removable? Looks like they’re not, care to ever wash those windows? Paint is everywhere, nothing was removed before the occupied-Palestine respray. There is already bubbling coming through the paint. It’s not even a candidate for a complete restoration, because that would require some good parts to start with.

The only way to sell a vehicle like this in good conscience is at auction where you convince yourself that the seller is at fault for screwing themselves. While it may be offered at no reserve, a more honest description would advertise it as nothing more than a trail-rig beater.

What an actual dumpster fire. There's overspray on the inner door trim
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BarryO

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That has to be one of the worst paint jobs I have ever seen on any vehicle.

Reminds me of this rig, owned by the local port agency. If you think the paint job looks like exterior house paint applied with a roller, you'd be correct. They just use it as a tractor along the riverbank, and they don't care.

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JimC

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It looks like an RSOV with a grafted-on series roof.

and the paint looks better than the yellow heap.
 

acheck

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It looks like an RSOV with a grafted-on series roof.

and the paint looks better than the yellow heap.

that is exactly an RSOV likely acquired through a federal asset redistribution process. crazy!!!!
 

javelinadave

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Looks like Defenders for whatever reason may have lost their auction luster. Last year sellers were seeing prices north of $100k at Barrett Jackson. This year, not so much.
https://barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1994-LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-90-236276
https://barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1991-LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-110-CUSTOM-SUV-238488
https://barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1994-LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-90-237115

On the other hand Brocos, Blazers, C-10s, K10s and Jeep CJ prices are rapidly on the rise.
 

JimC

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That series looks great. Amazing what not painting something can do for it‘s appearance.

i hope the market cools, super-heated values take a lot of the fun out of it.
 

Uncle Douglas

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We didn’t have to wait long. It surprises me when I hear about people being turned away by BaT, because it’s not because they’re screening for premium stuff...


This is pure trash. So many low-light photos, so much overspray, so much woofer-box carpet. It doesn’t just evince crimes against Land Rovers, there are copious affronts to craftsmanship and common sense. Are the side window grates removable? Looks like they’re not, care to ever wash those windows? Paint is everywhere, nothing was removed before the occupied-Palestine respray. There is already bubbling coming through the paint. It’s not even a candidate for a complete restoration, because that would require some good parts to start with.

The only way to sell a vehicle like this in good conscience is at auction where you convince yourself that the seller is at fault for screwing themselves. While it may be offered at no reserve, a more honest description would advertise it as nothing more than a trail-rig beater.
Seller says it was imported from Israel of all places. Cage looks to be on for quite some time.
Looks like Defenders for whatever reason may have lost their auction luster. Last year sellers were seeing prices north of $100k at Barrett Jackson. This year, not so much.
https://barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1994-LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-90-236276
https://barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1991-LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-110-CUSTOM-SUV-238488
https://barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1994-LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-90-237115

On the other hand Brocos, Blazers, C-10s, K10s and Jeep CJ prices are rapidly on the rise.
there was a classic that went cheap too

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1992-LAND-ROVER-RANGE-ROVER-236993
 

xplorutah

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There are always the exceptions. Like the LE I posted in the sightings thread. I watched it go across at Gooding. It had a lot of lookers prior to the sale, and in the end two guys in the room had to have it. Needed a good fluid baseline (I am betting), new hoses (it had an aftermarket air cleaner hose) and the rest looked pretty hard. I didn't look at the oil cooler lines though. It was an ok looking truck although I think at least the roof was a repaint - admittedly I am not the best at spotting repaints though.
 

BarryO

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Looks like Defenders for whatever reason may have lost their auction luster. Last year sellers were seeing prices north of $100k at Barrett Jackson. This year, not so much.

Was that true for ROW trucks? I didn't think so, but I guess I wasn't paying much attention.

LE #300 went for $165.2K on Saturday, even with the miles not being super-low (~30K miles IIRC). Then there's that NAS '97 ST with ultra-low miles that went for $207K about a month ago.
 

1of40

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Winter isn’t the best time to gauge but all markets can become over saturated. If u buy only what u want to own things will be okay.
 

signalMTB

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Was that true for ROW trucks? I didn't think so, but I guess I wasn't paying much attention.

LE #300 went for $165.2K on Saturday, even with the miles not being super-low (~30K miles IIRC). Then there's that NAS '97 ST with ultra-low miles that went for $207K about a month ago.

the LE in my opinion carried a rather large premium for it being literally the last NAS sent over. Add in that is was very low mileage, it didn’t seem all that high priced to me. Thought it would have been higher. Granted there is the auction premium. I love NAS trucks, don’t get me wrong I have one myself, but everyone thinks their truck is an $80k no matter the miles and history. And there’s not a shortage of them on the market. The incoming RoW trucks have and will continue to pressure the system overall.
 

xplorutah

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the LE in my opinion carried a rather large premium for it being literally the last NAS sent over. Add in that is was very low mileage, it didn’t seem all that high priced to me. Thought it would have been higher. Granted there is the auction premium. I love NAS trucks, don’t get me wrong I have one myself, but everyone thinks their truck is an $80k no matter the miles and history. And there’s not a shortage of them on the market. The incoming RoW trucks have and will continue to pressure the system overall.

I talked with one of the panel members on the Hagerty/RM Sotheby’s panel for “Pick of the Litter” panel in Scottsdale. Granted the panel was about Porsche. However he indicated that less the 1K miles is very low, even less than 10K is low. They can demand crazy money. Start creeping up and that “value” diminishes greatly. Your 50-60K “low mileage creampuff”? Drive it. Literally, he said at that point it’s collectibility is extremely lower. I am sure that can be applied across Marques. Oh and low volume is measured in hundreds, not thousands of vehicles made. It’s just what he said, one opinion.
 
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Uncle Douglas

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Comparing Gooding and Sotheby's to Barret Jackson's results isnt quite right.
They were all three selling cars in the same town the same week.
 
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