Grenadier

[erover82]

Ineos dealers appear to be anyone from heavy equipment dealers to luxury dealerships, so I'm sure this results in considerable variation in customer experience.

 

[jymmiejamz]

Ineos dealers appear to be anyone from heavy equipment dealers to luxury dealerships, so I'm sure this results in considerable variation in customer experience.

There is no consistency of customer experience with any brand because they are all independent franchises.

 

[RBBailey]

Has anyone been to the dealer in Portland? I'm thinking I'll visit if I can.

 

[LRNAD90]

Anyone for some Portals?

 

[FlyersFan76]

There was a member on the Grenadier forum that visited LeTech back in January I believe. They build some pretty sweet Galandewagen's. And the Sir Jim Ratcliffe got a good tour as well.

 

[luckyjoe]

Anyone for some Portals?

Scary light-duty by the looks of it.

 

[RBBailey]

Saw my first Grenadier yesterday, going opposite direction through the mountains. Just a glance, but looked good. I'll have to check them out at the dealer soon.

 

[Andrew]

Has anyone been to the dealer in Portland? I'm thinking I'll visit if I can.

I've been thinking about going down there. I'd be down to plan a trip with anyone on a nice day to check them out.

Also, I understand most people like driving fast, but it would be interesting to see what the MPG would be on a highway trip over a few hundred miles going 45-50 mph.

 

[Mdubs]

I've been thinking about going down there. I'd be down to plan a trip with anyone on a nice day to check them out.

Also, I understand most people like driving fast, but it would be interesting to see what the MPG would be on a highway trip over a few hundred miles going 45-50 mph.

I drove mine home about 4 hours?280 miles after picking it up. I got 19 mpg if I recall. I was averaging 60ish though

 

[Andrew]

Here's one thing I think Ineos could improve on the Grenadier. I think a hanging throttle pedal would be better than a floor mounted pedal. It appears they took a parts bin BMW car pedal, but there are hanging pedals that could work. It looks like this Bosch Motorsport one would work. Based on the diagram it's compatible with 6 wires, just like the BMW pedal (which has been the same since 2001).

0 280 755 051 Bosch Accelerator Pedal Module DBW

Accelerator Pedal Module - Bosch

www.bosch-motorsport-shop.com.au

Diagram: https://linkecu.com/documentation/101-0188.jpg

If anyone wants to retrofit their Grenadier I believe this is how it translates. Of course it probably shouldn't be done unless you're able to adjust the sensitivity settings in the DME (a tuner should be able to do that).

BMW Throttle Pedal (original Grenadier pedal)
Pin 1 = Ground, pedal position 1
Pin 2 = Ground, pedal position 2
Pin 3 = Voltage supply, pedal position 2
Pin 4 = Signal, pedal position 1
Pin 5 = Voltage supply, pedal position 1
Pin 6 = Signal, pedal position 2

Hall sensor 1 (request) = 0.5 to 4.5 volts
Hall sensor 2 (plausibility) = 0.5 to 2.0 volts

Source: BMW

Generic Bosch Motorsport Throttle Pedal
Pin 1 = Voltage supply, pedal position 2
Pin 2 = Voltage supply, pedal position 1
Pin 3 = Ground, pedal position 1
Pin 4 = Signal, pedal position 1
Pin 5 = Ground, pedal position 2
Pin 6 = Signal, pedal position 2

Source: Bosch

 

[blueboy]

I think a hanging throttle pedal would be better than a floor mounted pedal.

Having owned earlier air cooled 911s and a 914-6 (wish I still had) which also had a floor mounted throttle go pedal my understanding is the lower hinge produces a more natural arc for the foot to follow. Not sure if the current Porsches still use them.

 

[evilfij]

Having owned earlier air cooled 911s and a 914-6 (wish I still had) which also had a floor mounted throttle go pedal my understanding is the lower hinge produces a more natural arc for the foot to follow. Not sure if the current Porsches still use them.

They do use floor mounted accelerators, but not clutch and brakes.

In my uninformed and uneducated view, it depends on seating position or angle or whatever, as what is comfortable when you are sitting upright with legs nearly vertical is not the same as when you are sitting on the floor with your legs horizontal, but over all I have found the center hinged throttles to be most comfortable as I can mash it without bending my ankle as much (I have some hardware in my right ankle which has some limits on the range of motion).

 

[Andrew]

Having owned earlier air cooled 911s and a 914-6 (wish I still had) which also had a floor mounted throttle go pedal my understanding is the lower hinge produces a more natural arc for the foot to follow. Not sure if the current Porsches still use them.

I think that depends if you're sitting closer to the floor (car) or in an upright position (truck). The L322 had the same throttle pedal as the Grenadier, but Land Rover has put hanging pedals in most of their vehicles, including the L405. The Freelander 1 pedals are hanging and are compatible with the Grenadier's DME without any changes in programming since those came with BMW engine management. The early Freelander has a separate potentiometer unit that's the same as the Z3. I've seen the sensitivity settings for both the Z3M and E46 M3 (which has the Grenadier-type pedal) in the MSS54 DME and the values are identical.

 

[rocky]

In England for a few days. Saw a jet black IG yesterday, I still can't get over its grill design. Or round tail lights.

 

[LRNAD90]

Scary light-duty by the looks of it.

I agree they look fragile. It looks like the same design used on the 'G-Wagon 4x4 Squared' (which would make sense, since they are LeTech parts) . Assuming Mercedes did some extensive reliability testing, so maybe they are more durable than they seem, but agree that 'angled truss' looks weak and vulnerable. But then again, I'm no engineer, so..

 

[rocky]

Seen several around London. It's got the look at me I've got the latest thing to have, and you don't. Wonder how long it will take before they start appearing in the used market.

 

[crashnburn07]

Seen several around London. It's got the look at me I've got the latest thing to have, and you don't. Wonder how long it will take before they start appearing in the used market.

They are in the used market now (cars.com I believe) but prices still insane.

 

[vtlandrover]

I'm getting on in age, but if memory serves correctly, it was June or July of 1992 when I saw the NAS 110 in person... at the last Rovers North Rally that I believe was held. The prototype was shown to the North American public for the first time. Later, in the Fall of 1992, I brought my 1970 IIA 88" to Foreign Motors West and parked it right near the front door for the "launch" of the return of Land Rover, next to Rollers, Bentleys, and Benzos (most certainly the cheapest car on the lot). While it gathered the most attention, they sold several production NAS110s that night.

At any rate, today was a flood of memories... recalling the first time I saw an NAS 90 (same location, but 18 months later); the first time I saw a POE; the first time I saw a '95 SW; the first time I saw (aghast!) an automatic Land Rover Defender... this morning I went to KO Grenadier in Framingham, MA and saw my first Grenadier in the flesh. I learned that today I was the second customer to step foot in their dealership. I was surrounded by at least 18 of them... on the literal eve of the dealership getting their official dealer license. Next week, they'll deliver eighty (80!) sold Grenadiers to enthusiastic buyers. An exciting time.

 

[TJS]

Has anyone been to the dealer in Portland? I'm thinking I'll visit if I can.

I did a test drive there a few weeks ago. It was over in ten minutes. I felt like they just wanted to get rid of me. They sell McLarens so I guess I'm not their demographic. I'd bet they charge a lot for repair work.

 

[luckyjoe]

I’m loving mine! Don’t let the nay-sayers fool you - just did my first real highway run to drop my brother at PHL - it drove fantastic.