erover82
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I hear the steering is trash. Wheel doesn’t return on a turn and dead spots.
Seems to be something the generic auto journalists say while the 4x4 journalists have more realistic expectations.
I hear the steering is trash. Wheel doesn’t return on a turn and dead spots.
All the while this will be driven on the road, 90% of the time best case, right?Seems to be something the generic auto journalists say while the 4x4 journalists have more realistic expectations.
All the while this will be driven on the road, 90% of the time best case, right?
I test drove it and it wasn’t a big deal. Closer to my 110 than a new car, but not a deal breaker for me.I hear the steering is trash. Wheel doesn’t return on a turn and dead spots.
Agreed, and you have to consider that a 4x4 journalist would be far more loyal to the LR brand and apt to trash talk a GranadierSeems to be something the generic auto journalists say while the 4x4 journalists have more realistic expectations.
And we all know how poorly RRC’s and D1’s handle on the road…All the while this will be driven on the road, 90% of the time best case, right?
I test drove it and it wasn’t a big deal. Closer to my 110 than a new car, but not a deal breaker for me.
You forgot to mention the most important part. You won’t have to be seen driving a new Defender.Off-topic, but certainly related... after 30 blissful months, I sold my '22 Defender 110 in favor of a Rivian R1S. It's been three days and I may well have made a costly mistake. Don't get me wrong - the Rivian is incredible in many regards. However, there is ZERO comparison for road feel (to include steering), suspension (to include comfort), and composure (to include 'spacing out' behind the wheel) of the '22 110. I have to be 'on' in the Rivian all of the time. I have to pay attention to steering and throttle input with absolute attention. And I am, at times, uncomfortable going over road deformities. I never felt that way in the '22 Defender. It was composed, comfortable, capable, and in 30,000 miles, utterly faultless.
I guess my point is: don't believe a word that journalists or even your trusted nas-row buddy, Frank (me!), have to say. Drive whatever vehicle for yourself and decide whether it's right for you and your application. I rescinded my deposit and placement on the Grenadier and never had a chance to see it in person or drive it beforehand... that's not to say that I'll never drive or even own one. Just not now and likely not for a while. I wish Ineos success and wish I had the means to have them all... there's certainly a place for it in my garage.
I am going to give the Rivian its fair attention and have no intention of trading or backing away from it. I guess I've just got to admit that I don't have Sir Jim's pockets, but share his demand for a vehicle that does everything I want. After owning 75+ cars, that was the 2022 Defender 110.
P.S. What does the Rivian do well? For starters, it'll be in the teens tonight and when I get in the shower tomorrow morning, I'll set the climate to 74 degrees, turn on the seat and steering wheel heaters, and not asphyxiate myself or my family as it comes up to temperature in the garage; when a shitty-ass (but cool!) GTI rode my ass this morning out of frustration because I only drive 10-15% over the speed limit, I smoked him at the stop light (the Rivian does 0-60 in 3 seconds; the GTI in 8 (I felt a little nausea afterward, as I've never ridden a rollercoaster or smashed the throttle on a Rivian)); the back sleeps my 6' 1" frame with a foot to spare, with the vehicle perfectly level in"camp mode" and the aforementioned climate control set at 74, whether it's hot or cold outside; it has so many places to put stuff (including the 'frunk), it's absurd; and for sure, it's got tech galore... plus, almost zero maintenance. No leaks, no oil changes. I have enough ICEs (an '86 110; an '82.5 Westfalia; and an '01 A4 2.8) that I can get my knuckles bloody on... and to me, it's fine looking.
Happy Thanksgiving, nas-row pals!
Seems to be something the generic auto journalists say while the 4x4 journalists have more realistic expectations.
I heard this same complaint from a friend who drove it. Certainly not a journalist, but someone who's driven probably 300+ unique vehicles in their life
To add to that, this was a retail-ready production unit a couple of weeks ago.
Yeah my buddy said he pulled out onto a road with it and almost went right back into the curb. Said it was some of the worst steering he's ever seen in any vehicle.
Not to question driving style, but did he just pull out in front of someone, one finger on the wheel and punch it? Makes no sense compared to the prototype I drove in MD.Yeah my buddy said he pulled out onto a road with it and almost went right back into the curb. Said it was some of the worst steering he's ever seen in any vehicle.