Non-Rover related - VW GTI (but other smaller car-owning parents chime in! 3 kids in the back of a hatchback... how?)

Minivan is not an option

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hillstrubl

Founding Member
No, I'm not buying a minivan. We're trying to figure out our options for my 3 children in the back of my wife's GTI (7/5/infant). The 7 and 5 year old are now both in boosters, but with the width needed for the baby's larger drop-in seat "cradle" its really hard to actually buckle in the seatbelts for the two older ones each time we get in/out of the car.

Seatbelt extenders seem to be the obvious fix, but they're not recommended (and I can see why, the geometry is all off plus there's now another point of failure in the event of an accident).
The Graco boosters they have aren't the narrowest on the market, but they're also not the widest. What's annoying is my 7 year old has ~3"+ on each side of her hips, this is space that could be used for a narrower (and safer) booster...

What have 3 children-having small-er car/hatchback drivers done for car seats?

For reference we bought one of the slimmest infant seats on the market- Chicco Key Fit 30 at 17inches wide. The boosters are Chicco and 17 inches wide as well. The slimmest boosters we've found is 15.2inches wide for boosters from Graco. We have tried different arrangements, with the infant seat on an outside seat or the middle seat as well.
 

supertreeman

Well-known member
Bite the bullet and buy a minivan. Those kids will only get bigger. We picked one up years ago and it makes life so easy with kids. Not sure I could do it if it was the only car in the family though..
 

SimonDewing

Well-known member
The UK 12 seat 110 SW's work well middle seat in front can be used to move 1 child out of range of siblings and allows non driving parent to intervene when they become too obnoxious. Probably would not do too well in crash though!

We had 4 so used all 6 forward facing seats when kids were small with baby seats / booster seats on 3 rear ones.

7 seat disco was the solution when we moved over as LR was too young to ship at that point (but its recently migrated!).
Others take 2 vehicles which also allows a higher degree of separation for warring siblings
 

mgreenspan

Founding Member
Aright. You need to do one of these.
1. Buy boosters and seats that are as narrow as possible. Measure the total width and figure it out. I have 3, 5, and 7. Realize that the “safer” seats are always going to be wider. There is no real difference. Just buy narrow seats.
2. Sell the GTI and buy an Evoque. Part of the reason I got one for my wife was that the car seats fit 3 across. The middle seat usually has to have the outside seat lifted slightly to buckle the middle seat but then it works fine.
3. Put a kid in the front if you have to and it’s legal where you live.
4. Go buy a multiMac car seat converter. It’s a giant thing that replaces all your seats. Cost is high but you’ll have 3 seats in the space easy. https://www.multimac.com/home

I’ve been where you’re at and there is no easy solution. You’ll sacrifice perceived safety(only in your mind), money, money, or money.
 

rocky

NAS-ROW Addict
A GTI.. last vestige if your (almost) pre kid, fun days.....

Time to grow the car. Nothing family style will drive like the gti. If you insist on VW try a Passat. Otherwise, face up to it, and buy something like a Honda Passport/ Pilot.
 

UnfrozenCaveman

Well-known member
I'm no help at all....but I do enjoy my GTi ;)

Back in the 80's...when I had small kids...I really didn't want a minivan and ended up with an AWD GMC Safari. It wasn't horrible.
 

WreckITFrank

Technical Excellence Contributor
I have 1 kid and don't know how i would even handle his cargo in a car that size. Murica I guess. Anyway, if into the VW world, the atlas is pretty nice, lots of options and seem reasonable. My buddy got one and really likes it.

Interesting thread though, (full disclosure) as i'm not any help mainly because I don't believe cars should exist in the northeast unless it's for fun. Good luck, are you in the city or in the burbs?
 

Napalm00

Technical Excellence Contributor
Sell the gti and buy a dieselgate awd Jetta alltrack , get a tune and it'll make way more power than the GTI! And have space for activities
 

RBBailey

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Callsign: KF7KFZ
My two kids are in high school now, so we don't need more seats, we need more cars. But when they were younger, the 7-seat DII would have barely been enough for three kids. It would have worked fine for daily, but even with only two kids, when we packed it up for a trip, we really packed it full. The more modern 7-seat vehicles do have more space, and if you have a roof rack or a small trailer, you'll be fine. I'm thinking specifically of long trips.

If I were looking for a family hauler these days, the Mercedes GL320 diesel we have is great. I'd be holding out for a new Defender. I'd be looking at the VW SUVs, and I'd have to take a look at the Lexus stuff. Do the diesel Range Rovers come with 7-seats?
 

mgreenspan

Founding Member
Just re-read that you have an infant. I suggest the britax seat, I think b-safe. It has the infant seat base with latch. The infant seat is not narrow, but the base is and the height it puts allows you to put it in the middle of the car Rear facing and you still have room on both sides for the other seats. I did this in a Jeep Grand Cherokee no problem. It didn’t work in our gx470 because of the latch locations being offset, though.
 

hillstrubl

Founding Member
Appreciate the responses, but the car is a 2018, we're not selling the car :), I need a solution for the current vehicle... which we might have stumbled upon. The infant seat is new and one of the narrowest on the market, we found 2 boosters that save ~2" per side and it seems like its just enough to fit AND leave room for your hand to actually access the seat belt receptacles. I'll report back in a few weeks with how its going!

Seven passenger disco w/turbo diesel solves all of these problems and 25-30mpg 😁

I have a D3 (that will be for sale soon) and just purchased a 110, we're good on longer trips, this is 99% for around town.

Bite the bullet and buy a minivan. Those kids will only get bigger. We picked one up years ago and it makes life so easy with kids. Not sure I could do it if it was the only car in the family though..

The only person that doesn't want that more than me is my GTI-driving wife. Not going to happen. I don't like easy :)

A GTI.. last vestige if your (almost) pre kid, fun days.....
Time to grow the car. Nothing family style will drive like the gti. If you insist on VW try a Passat. Otherwise, face up to it, and buy something like a Honda Passport/ Pilot.

As said above, have a D3->110, its not an issue for any time we actually need space. But there will be times when all 3 kids will end up in the GTI.

I'm no help at all....but I do enjoy my GTi ;)
Back in the 80's...when I had small kids...I really didn't want a minivan and ended up with an AWD GMC Safari. It wasn't horrible.

That's not in the cards for me, I'd go Atlas or even an A6 Wagon if I (really my wife, she needs a driver's car, ideally with 3 pedals, to be happy) wanted something bigger.

I have 1 kid and don't know how i would even handle his cargo in a car that size. Murica I guess. Anyway, if into the VW world, the atlas is pretty nice, lots of options and seem reasonable. My buddy got one and really likes it.
Interesting thread though, (full disclosure) as i'm not any help mainly because I don't believe cars should exist in the northeast unless it's for fun. Good luck, are you in the city or in the burbs?

I'm in the Philly 'burbs, on the edge of the city line. When our last GTI died we went to the dealer intending to give the Tourareg (they had a recalled TDI one) and Atlas a chance. They were both... fine. My wife drove the 2018 GTI for about 2 gear changes before her Cheshire grin said, 'yes, we'll have this'. I see no reason (other than ridiculous "BUT THE CHILDREN") U.S. requirements and laws for massive car seats that only cater towards giant SUVs (he says knowing how big a D3 and 110 are...). True story, the identical Chicco Keyfit 30 infant seat that we had for our now 7 year old is expired and not legal to use, but somehow an identical new one (that we bought) is good to go. I get the intention of these requirements, but the execution caters towards people who would otherwise make bad decisions I guess? A 4-door golf is a family car in Germany, it should be one here too.

Sell the gti and buy a dieselgate awd Jetta alltrack , get a tune and it'll make way more power than the GTI! And have space for activities

Not selling the GTI, but I'm not sure that config was ever offered here anyway?

My two kids are in high school now, so we don't need more seats, we need more cars. But when they were younger, the 7-seat DII would have barely been enough for three kids. It would have worked fine for daily, but even with only two kids, when we packed it up for a trip, we really packed it full. The more modern 7-seat vehicles do have more space, and if you have a roof rack or a small trailer, you'll be fine. I'm thinking specifically of long trips.
If I were looking for a family hauler these days, the Mercedes GL320 diesel we have is great. I'd be holding out for a new Defender. I'd be looking at the VW SUVs, and I'd have to take a look at the Lexus stuff. Do the diesel Range Rovers come with 7-seats?

I don't hate those vehicles, but we'll already have a full-sized SUV, my wife loves her smaller VW.

Just re-read that you have an infant. I suggest the britax seat, I think b-safe. It has the infant seat base with latch. The infant seat is not narrow, but the base is and the height it puts allows you to put it in the middle of the car Rear facing and you still have room on both sides for the other seats. I did this in a Jeep Grand Cherokee no problem. It didn’t work in our gx470 because of the latch locations being offset, though.

Infant seat is brand new and one of the narrowest on the market, same one we used with my older daughter, was very happy with it.
 

hillstrubl

Founding Member
yea my fault TDI was FWD only in the sportwagen
I have a friend that had sold back his TDI passat then immediately took that $ and bought a now-fixed TDI Q8 (plus some cash). Honestly love that car, but its still not a nimble hatch.
 

RBBailey

NAS-ROW Addict
Callsign: KF7KFZ
Glad to hear you have a 110 for trips and such. I was going to suggest getting one with Puma type upgrades and rear seating, as long as you knew you could fix problems when you needed to, but I realized my therapist might think I was regressing and deleted that bit.
 

hillstrubl

Founding Member
Realizing I never updated this thread. Here's what I ended up with. Sold the D3 and got the 3 previously mentioned seats to fit.

GTI has a chicco middle base (keyfit 30) (LATCH) for the baby, with drop-in seat.
The 2 older kids both use a Graco Turbo Go boosters that are just narrow enough to allow the doors to close* but also not cover the seatbelt plugs.

This only works because the older kids are just above the height/weight needed for a booster. If I had 2 babies I would have had to get more creative.

Wifey would have never been happy giving up her GTI, I'm glad this is working for now. The issue is the 9 year old will age out before she weighs out of boosters. I'm hoping the (now) 6 year old weighs out in order to ditch one of the boosters before the baby needs something different legally.

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*I shaved down about 1/2-3/4 of an inch of the outside "foot" of both boosters in order for them to sit more flush/flat due to the curvature of the car's rear seat. This let them fit a bit closer to the baby's base as well.
 

hillstrubl

Founding Member
I have Diono Radian 3R seats for our now 4yo. They are designed to fit three wide in a small car.


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This may be my future as my 9yo is tiny, 6yo is a giant and 1yo will soon be out of an "infant" seat. Thanks.

I'm in PA, but what's funny is some states have really high weight restrictions (paired with age) eg Maine is under 12 and under 100lbs needs a seat of some kind. I doubt my older daughter will be 100lbs as a full grown adult.
 
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