New Defender, 2020

rjl

Member
Maybe the diesel will be available later, like the same time the 90 is available.

The "unveiling" just had McGovern stroking himself all over the design cues of this thing, but didn't include much by way of nuts and bolts.
 

bearskinrug

Well-known member
Expo has an editorial with pictures that show a naked side shots of the 110 monocoque and the floating pilar in the rear looks like it might be structural.

Of note, the press release mentions that the vehicle has the stamp of approval from Team Defender mountaineer named Kenton Cool. He seems legit, but really...
 

brdhmltn

Well-known member
land rover usa commented on an instagram post that no diesel is planned for usa currently.

I would have not used the defender name. It cant live up to that. But I think it's pretty cool. Probably cannot afford the one that checks my boxes though. Especially if I still plan to spend money on the old one, which I do/.am.
 

mgreenspan

Founding Member
If they do not make the diesel option available in the US sales will eventually dwindle away in USA. I'll be honest. I like how it looks on the website. I'll hold final judgment for seeing it in person. That said, if I were buying a large SUV simply for a family car that also happens to have 4x4 for $50k+ the Nissan Armada diesel is the most logical choice. If this had diesel it'd take the spot easy. I will never understand their logic.
 

RBBailey

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No 90. No diesel.

I don’t particularly like the limited color options. Good colors, but not enough.

And I would like to be a little more pick and choose on the accessories instead of the packages.

Will need to drive one! But would really Ike a diesel, so a purchase is a long way off for me.
 

RBBailey

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My brother who drives a mini van and a two door Saturn thing, who has never off roaded in his life, and who is in no way interested in buying a Land Rover, took a look at the video I sent him last night and made the observation that they had better have some way of manually selecting 4x4 and locking diffs other than some touch screen only control....

He was also surprised at how there seems to be no utility version. It looks to be built pretty tough, but that is different than utility minded.
 

RBBailey

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I think we should all build our own multiple times in the most utilitarian way possible. Let them know what the fans want.
 

Red90

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90s are not being released until next year.

As far as the diffs, you never get to choose when they are locked, ever. The computer decides.

As far as utility...it is way too expensive. It is a luxury vehicle for rich people.
 

RBBailey

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As far as the diffs, you never get to choose when they are locked, ever. The computer decides.

I was wondering if the center even was a real locker. They don’t actually say. And the title of the rear locker seems to suggest that it is most likely a semi locking diff with a specialized traction control system. Almost makes you wonder if it is a software based upgrade. As in, they all have it, but you have to have the software installed from factory to run it.
 

RBBailey

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Just imagine though, if they had gone with a base model that skipped the touch screen, had actual switches and such, and a stripped down interior with nice cloth seats that could be removed easily -- bet that would drop the price enough to sell so many they couldn't keep up with demand.
 

Red90

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I was wondering if the center even was a real locker. They don’t actually say. And the title of the rear locker seems to suggest that it is most likely a semi locking diff with a specialized traction control system. Almost makes you wonder if it is a software based upgrade. As in, they all have it, but you have to have the software installed from factory to run it.

I'm assuming it is like the other modern Land Rovers. They are full lockers but have variable engagement. Each locker has its own computer.... The "problem" is that you have no control over them. If the system craps out for whatever reason, you are seriously screwed. There should be a way to manually lock the center diff at least because it is hard to do anything without one.

I just did a week long trip with an G4 LR3. Rear locker, 31" Duratracs, underbody armour all stock. It works not too bad. It was better than the open diff trucks. I climbed up everything without wheelspin on 32" Duratracs, no lift and a Detroit/TT in my 90. I did not really worry about my lines and never needed a second try. The LR3 had to take multiple attempts at various obstacles that I would say were moderate at best. The system still let wheelspin happen enough to cause it to stop.
 

WreckITFrank

Technical Excellence Contributor
The tweet said the similarities were obvious....I think they are talking about the tires

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RBBailey

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So this video shows some details of the Newfender that I hadn't picked up on before. It at once gives me a little more hope, and makes me more afraid of the computer controls. It's not just that it is electronic, it is 100% electronic. Maybe the 85 ECUs are for redundancy?


A couple of points -- it seems that with the upgraded system, the user does have manual (electronic touch screen) control of the locking diffs. It does have low range gearing. The static and dynamic roof load are mentioned. And a few other things that I've been wondering about.
 

WreckITFrank

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I'm thinking a GAP tool will handle most of that. Warranty will be key, like every other modern vehicle I guess.
 

RBBailey

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But when you are 1000 miles from home, 50 miles from the next gas station, and stuck.... warranty just doesn't make you feel that much better in that moment.
 
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