Grenadier
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hackneyed1
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Not sure what you mean...the link is working for me.
I picked up my Trialmaster on 12/21, and it's been everything I hoped for since dropping the little pre-order deposit in Sept of '21.
I got used to the steering in pretty short order on the drive home from St Pete to the Jacksonville, FL area, and I'm not really bothered by the speed warning clicks others have been concerned with. This car can easily be my daily driver when home from work, and unlike the truck I sold before picking it up (a longbed SuperDuty), my wife will actually drive it. We also have a bunch of other cars of various types for daily family activities and fun, but I expect this one will be picked much of the time.
It's sort of the best of what we liked about our old LR4 and the Defenders and Disco II we still have. If I end up selling anything after now having this, that'll probably be the G4 Disco II, as I just don't know how much that will be driven now.
I test drove a new '23 Defender 130 as my backup plan a couple months ago had the Ineos final delivery process not worked out, and I'm very happy with this choice.
I'm waiting for the software update that will allow the tow receiver (and signal writing) capability to be reinstalled. I don't really tow with my Defenders or Discovery, and the Grenadier replaced the SuperDuty for trailer towing duty. We've been told that software update could be anytime in the next few weeks, and it may also do something about turning off the warning clicks and beeps that folks don't like.
I'm still keeping with my various Defender projects and continue to enjoy tinkering and restoring them, but I haven't really considered any of them as a daily driver since I had to sell my '97 NAS 90 in 2012 when transferring overseas. This one easily can be.
I got used to the steering in pretty short order on the drive home from St Pete to the Jacksonville, FL area, and I'm not really bothered by the speed warning clicks others have been concerned with. This car can easily be my daily driver when home from work, and unlike the truck I sold before picking it up (a longbed SuperDuty), my wife will actually drive it. We also have a bunch of other cars of various types for daily family activities and fun, but I expect this one will be picked much of the time.
It's sort of the best of what we liked about our old LR4 and the Defenders and Disco II we still have. If I end up selling anything after now having this, that'll probably be the G4 Disco II, as I just don't know how much that will be driven now.
I test drove a new '23 Defender 130 as my backup plan a couple months ago had the Ineos final delivery process not worked out, and I'm very happy with this choice.
I'm waiting for the software update that will allow the tow receiver (and signal writing) capability to be reinstalled. I don't really tow with my Defenders or Discovery, and the Grenadier replaced the SuperDuty for trailer towing duty. We've been told that software update could be anytime in the next few weeks, and it may also do something about turning off the warning clicks and beeps that folks don't like.
I'm still keeping with my various Defender projects and continue to enjoy tinkering and restoring them, but I haven't really considered any of them as a daily driver since I had to sell my '97 NAS 90 in 2012 when transferring overseas. This one easily can be.
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vtlandrover
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Really happy for those who followed through... they look fantastic. Makes me wonder if you're experiencing the same satisfaction as those early '87 RRC owners. Enjoy - and Happy New Year!
erover82
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About the same as a G-Wagen. It's hard to beat the physics of a heavy square vehicle, regardless of engine.
vtlandrover
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2024 INEOS Grenadier - Turbocharged 6-Cylinder, Full-Time 4WD, Eldoret Blue, Unmodified
This 2024 INEOS Grenadier is for sale on Cars & Bids! Auction ends January 10 2024.
Will be interesting to see the comments...
saetaes
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Yeah, for sure, but the G-Wagen has a twin-turbo V8 that has more HP, torque, and drives like a sports car. The new Defender in 4-and 6-cylinder forms gets something like 20MPG, so it seems like it's in the realm of possibility from here in my armchair.
blueboy
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Not to be cheeky yet is MPG a key factor when buying this vehicle?
Since we're not talking <10mpg, no, it is a non-issue.
Update: My Gren hit the dealer's lot on 12/29. Still waiting for an update on the full roof rack and rubber floor mats. I stopped by yesterday and it is real! Unbelievable vehicle and I cannot wait to bring it home next weekend!
Andrew
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I watched the video also and wondered if he's a forum member (here or the other forum). I'm interested to know if it does achieve 19-20 mpg once broken in. I plan to get a Grenadier eventually, probably the Quartermaster, but there are some things I think they could improve. I'd like to see a little display or gauge cluster that could be fitted in front of the driver above the warning lights. In another video I watched the reviewer complained about the speedo being in the center like on a Tesla. I don't like that either. He also complained about visibility out the rear with the large pillar between the doors (perhaps another reason to select the Quartermaster). It also needs shades for the sunroofs. Hopefully there will be better aftermarket support too such as ARB bumpers and Safety Devices roll cages.
In the TFL video the owner talked about how the Grenadier is a modern vehicle and the Defender was made with "1950's manufacturing techniques." That's what's great about the Defender though; the modular body. You can't just switch out major components in the Grenadier (like bulkhead, tub, etc.) or change the body style. I like how the Defender was almost entirely hand-built. I watched a Grenadier manufacturing video and it made me like it less. I understand that modern vehicles are made in an automated facility with robots, but having people make the whole thing is so much more endearing. Every one of those people poured their labor and love into it like a collective artwork.
In the TFL video the owner talked about how the Grenadier is a modern vehicle and the Defender was made with "1950's manufacturing techniques." That's what's great about the Defender though; the modular body. You can't just switch out major components in the Grenadier (like bulkhead, tub, etc.) or change the body style. I like how the Defender was almost entirely hand-built. I watched a Grenadier manufacturing video and it made me like it less. I understand that modern vehicles are made in an automated facility with robots, but having people make the whole thing is so much more endearing. Every one of those people poured their labor and love into it like a collective artwork.
I just came back from a 2600-mile road trip. Most of that was fast highway driving (boy, do people drive fast), some - local errands in sub-freezing temps, so these mileage numbers include generous warm-up times. The trip included many, many mountain passes of ~3-4k ft above surrounding areas.
The return trip (after ~1400 mile mark) was with a foldable baby crib strapped to the roof bars - which you can imagine takes some gas to move at 90+ mph in Utah and SoCal.
True average mileage - total fuel / total miles - was 14.23 mpg. It would have been very close in an 5.0V8 LR4 - it had been in the past.
The best gas mileage was achieved, unsurprisingly, during a white-knuckle drive in Wyoming/Idaho/Utah during a snowstorm, at speeds under the posted limits, sometimes significantly under.
The worst - on I-15 in Utah, where the consensus of the non-big-rig drivers is in the neighborhood of 95 mph with a posted limit of 80, followed by U.S.95 in Nevada with a stiff headwind.
Sidebar: you can't really trust the fuel gauge and "remaining miles" estimate. I came home today with "120 miles remaining" on the dashboard; unloaded the truck, took off to a carwash, and it said "fuel low, 44 miles remaining" - a bit annoying. Our LR4 was far more reliable in this department (maybe the only one).
I don't believe P300 and P400 Defenders get better gas mileage in comparable conditions.
I only noticed that Grenadier can ride pretty stiff after I unloaded the truck today. With two-three adults and gear, it rides very well.
How it can possibly have much better gas mileage? Same cross-sectional area and curb weight as an LR4, higher drag coefficient than an LR4, same physics governing internal combustion engine. Both of these have gone to great lengths to keep the ICE running near its best efficiency - with gears, valve lift and timing in an 5.0 V8 and turbo in the B57. Your turbodiesel gas mileage in the 110 compares well with these numbers.
It goes without explanation that driving slower equals better fuel economy. Even the U.S. government knew that when they enacted nationwide 55mph speed limit to deal with the oil crisis; it is hard to gauge due to lack of data for me, but my guess is that at a steady 55 mph the Grenadier will deliver 20-22 mpg.
It also horrifies me that, for the first time in my life, I wished for more traffic enforcement. With all these gizmos in the new cars telling the owners that there are vehicles left/right/in front of theirs and they need to do something (otherwise the gizmos will do that by themselves), I watched people looking at their phones going 86 mph, two car lengths behind the vehicles in front. My guess is that we'll see a bunch of reports soon of high-speed chain accidents - in perfect visibility in daylight.
Hi
For details on my trip - including my fuel economy log, check out this thread :
'Washington (state) to Washington, DC' https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/washington-state-to-washington-dc.12413812/
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