blueboy
Well-known member
Not to hijack this too much, feel sure you probably know this RS6 is a nice upgrade although way too much stuff for me:
Grenadier
- Thread starter WreckITFrank
- Start date
I must politely disagree. While I have briefly experienced adaptive cruise control only in a rental vehicle, I found it unsettling as the vehicle did things I didn't want it to in response to traffic pattern changes. I shut it off fairly quickly. Would I have felt different after six months of use? Maybe. I'd rather have a self driving car at that point. I don't want to monitor a computer's behavior. Close pod bay doors please Hal...
I have only owned one vehicle with traditional cruise control. As our long distance highway vehicle I have put hundreds of thousands of miles behind the wheel with the system activated albeit occasionally paused due to road conditions. When it recently failed I was surprisingly relieved. I was absolutely astounded how enjoyable and relaxing driving became. No more was I required to poise ready to pounce on the brake or steering wheel controls. As I now drove in the manner I was trained to (by deep muscle memory and conscious manipulation combined), I began arriving at my multi-hour away destinations much less fatigued and with less body aches. I drove 12 hours in mixed high speed and stop-and-go holiday traffic on a major interstate with only one stop and no real discomfort until the last 50 miles or so. I was much less mentally drained than usual and never had a cup of coffee the whole way. I'm pretty much done with cruise control.
I was taught to drive by a genius of an instructor in early high school and by my father (who lived to be 100 years of age). They instilled in me the idea of common courtesy and etiquette when on the road. Maintaining a smooth, consistent, and even speed was both the safest action and the greatest favor I could do for my fellow driver's - especially at speed. Thus I have often been complemented on my driving. I was taught to pick my speed based on the posted limits (and allowing for congestion or lack thereof and the prevailing flow rate) and stick to it - to be a predictable component of the broader traffic pattern which would allow unexpected challenges to be navigated safely by the other driver's on the road. A little more fuel on the uphill sections and a little less on the downhill as is appropriate and neither your passengers nor the driver's fore and aft need be concerned or alarmed by your driving untill there is real necessity. (Think pedestrian, animal crossing, downed tree, drunk driver, blowout, etc.) While no angel, I generally drive slower than scofflaw traffic on long, high vis straightaways and much faster than 90-95% of the traffic in curvy mountainous sections all in a stock twenty plus year old pickup.
I will finish this long-winded post by pointing out how annoying driver's with AAC can be. When in front of you their vehicles appear to over-react to slight changes in the speed of the vehicles in front of them as the system, as far as I can tell, is incapable of the foresight to be monitoring traffic 5-10 vehicles (or even much greater distances) ahead and are erratic and disruptive to traffic flow as the system response is only to the vehicle directly in front. I have to watch their every move as their generally poor (or lazy or untrained) judgement prevents them from "soaking up" the variances in traffic flow in a safe and predictable way. When behind they are like cling-ons that just won't wipe away. They rely on my skill to navigate them safely on their journey as they flop around in their vehicle fiddling with their phone or distracted by their snacks and, when, after a relaxing straightaway and the time comes to enter a section of tight mountain curves, will suddenly go wide-eyed as they stomp the brakes and struggle to maintain control of their vehicle at a speed their much newer and better equipped vehicle could handle if only their competence was up to the task. We have watched it happen time and time again. Rant over.
An Ineos representative has said that a base edition Grenadier will not be offered in the US. The choice will be to purchase one of either Belstaff editions and then upspec from there. I picked up the link from glancing around the Ineos Grenadier forum or whatever. The rep starts talking six or seven minutes in.
mgreenspan
Founding Member
Adaptive cruise control is nothing like aircraft autopilot and people don’t treat it the way pilots do in aircraft.
It is 1s and 0s as far as how it responds. It keeps a set distance and doesn’t plan anything or match trends. It is abrupt and operates poorly. The other features you’ve mentioned are totally different animals and make sense. Adaptive cruise control is lazy and enables drivers to not maintain an active role of monitoring their vehicle position and road hazards ahead. It was a mistake and should not exist. It is equivalent to a driver that doesn’t know about the 6-12 feet of vehicle behind their seat in terms of spatial awareness. It is no different in logic than the drivers who look one car length ahead and can’t tell they’re about to screw themselves by passing on the right.
FlyersFan76
Well-known member
Updated events list.
I guess the Philadelphia estimated date has changed.
I am hoping for a weekday event.
Anyone want to guess where they would hold a Philadelphia regional (or other regional) event? I am going to guess the Millville rave track first.
I guess the Philadelphia estimated date has changed.
I am hoping for a weekday event.
Anyone want to guess where they would hold a Philadelphia regional (or other regional) event? I am going to guess the Millville rave track first.
WreckITFrank
Technical Excellence Contributor
I think Philly is SOL. NYC and Maryland are likely our best bets.Updated events list.
I guess the Philadelphia estimated date has changed.
I am hoping for a weekday event.
Anyone want to guess where they would hold a Philadelphia regional (or other regional) event? I am going to guess the Millville rave track first.
TravelinLight
Well-known member
Denver Area reservations were announced today, I am hoping I get my selected spot.
New England and New York are big, but... Google Maps shows a 4-hour driving time between NYC and Boston - about the same I spent going to an even near LA (one way) from San Diego.
Even "San Diego" event was 2 hours away from San Diego.
Ambro-Pilot
New member
Are they 'turn-off options' or 'always on and stay on' options?Nice write up. I especially liked the accompanying pics which show a couple of things:
1) It will be easy to replace a starter in the field because, even with a modestly diligent regimen of turning it off, the Start/Stop function will cause it to fail far more often and in the most inconvenient of places vs. a starter on a non-Start/Stop equipped vehicle.
2) The differential drain plug is in a pretty good location. I'd never seen one like that before. I almost thought it was a ring gear anti-deflection bolt or something. Too bad the diffs aren't removable. Any field work will have to be done in place while laying on your back. (no, I don't own a lift.)
Ineos has now stated that all NA vehicles will come with a full complement of nannies. Lane keeping assist, emergency autonomous braking, and drowsy driver warning amongst others. It is my opinion that these functions encourage distracted and haphazard driving so I'm not thrilled but there's probably no way to avoid them on a new car these days. Below are a couple of less-than-impressed articles. There's some video included.
Automatic Emergency Braking Isn’t As Safe as You Might Think: AAA
AAA found that automatic emergency braking simply isn't capable of helping out in a wide variety of common crash scenarios.www.thedrive.com
Automatic emergency braking is not great at preventing crashes at normal speeds
AEB wasn’t great at preventing two common crashes.www.theverge.com
rocky
NAS-ROW Addict
Good Video @Reese_D90 thank you. At least one part you also see on (older) Land Rover's the Power Steering reservoir. Given how many vehicles are going to electric steering is that a positive or negative?
I consider traditional hydraulic steering - also called recirculating ball & nut I think - more durable and easier on the shoulders out in the rough stuff. Rack and pinion is fun on the street... until the Red Bull wears off.
The start/stop function has a disable button on the lower right of the center stack. The other stuff is supposed to be included in Europe (unconfirmed rumour) and the U.S. starting with the 2024 models due out in September of this year. That was from US VP Greg Clark. I don't remember which video I saw it on. There was no mention of an off button. Let's hope. Maybe the low initial production numbers in the first year will allow for that option.
The $64 dollar question is: What is the Grenadier going to cost? The speculation from the keyboard theorists is all over the map. The reporter in this (boring) podcast parrots off the standard feature list but then suddenly alludes to having secret inside information. He doesn't give a starting price but does finally say that $75K should get you a pretty well outfitted model. This is after saying the price will be comparable to what a 4 year old Mercedes G class would cost so he's likely talking out of his tailpipe. Start about the 41minute mark if you really have nothing better to do...
vtlandrover
Well-known member
Damnit! NY dates were just announced... May 3-5. Naturally, I have work obligations all three days. The next closest place to Vermont is Illinois....
TravelinLight
Well-known member
I have an appointment to drive one this Saturday, cannot wait!!
WreckITFrank
Technical Excellence Contributor
Should be in your inboxes....
In our last Q&A session, Greg Clark, our Executive Vice President, Americas, answered your questions on test drives, the Grenadier’s capabilities and more.
In this latest video, Greg covers two big topics we know you’re going to want to find out more about – North American pricing and pre-orders.
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In our last Q&A session, Greg Clark, our Executive Vice President, Americas, answered your questions on test drives, the Grenadier’s capabilities and more.
In this latest video, Greg covers two big topics we know you’re going to want to find out more about – North American pricing and pre-orders.
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