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MountainD

Technical Excellence Contributor
This was / is exactly the Swiss philosophy. That and smaller displacement engines - the main reason for 2.0L or smaller in most EU Countries is the 2.0L was the largest before tax penalties. The tax guy loved the 4.2 V8 in the Rangie.
I have been to Switzerland several times (I highly recommend everyone spend a Christmas there--they do it right!)---the one thing that you notice when you spend time there is that their bus/tram/train system is convenient and impressive. They make it easy to not drive a car 90% of the time.
 

rocky

NAS-ROW Addict
If you look at all the Euro brands, 2.0 Turbo is almost the biggest ICE made. Development of gas engines there seems to be at a standstill.
One Brother is 100% electric, another has said he’s bought his last ICE powered vehicle and already has an electric car.
 

blueboy

Well-known member
I have been to Switzerland several times (I highly recommend everyone spend a Christmas there--they do it right!)---the one thing that you notice when you spend time there is that their bus/tram/train system is convenient and impressive. They make it easy to not drive a car 90% of the time
Christmas markets are very nice and for sure a very festive time! No doubt the public transit system is well executed and for most part convenient especially in the metro areas like Zürich. However in the rural areas where we lived not as convenient. An example would be my morning commute; by public transit it would be 1.5 hours as one had to change buses. By car it took me about 25 minutes. In general though you’re right and although a cliche you could almost set your watch by the train schedule!
 

blueboy

Well-known member
If you look at all the Euro brands, 2.0 Turbo is almost the biggest ICE made. Development of gas engines there seems to be at a standstill.
Hum, Porsche seems to disagree: The 911 Turbo S is a twin-turbocharged 3.7-liter flat-six engine that produces a rated 640hp. Audi, Merc, and BMW also have engines larger than 2.0. And for sure Lambo, Ferrari, etc. are offering larger than 2.0.
Or possibly I misunderstood what you meant?
 

rocky

NAS-ROW Addict
Hum, Porsche seems to disagree: The 911 Turbo S is a twin-turbocharged 3.7-liter flat-six engine that produces a rated 640hp. Audi, Merc, and BMW also have engines larger than 2.0. And for sure Lambo, Ferrari, etc. are offering larger than 2.0.
Or possibly I misunderstood what you meant?
My mind was on dare I call it, generic family haulers aka mass market. The more I look around 2.0 seems to be where they are finishing up. Sad but true.

On another angle.....running around the M25 Motorway, there are many temporary speed limit areas. These are used to control flow. Noticed that the Adaptive Cruise system recognized these areas reducing speed automatically......

I get it. But really.......I still don't like it after decades of visiting my old country.....
 

blueboy

Well-known member
My mind was on dare I call it, generic family haulers aka mass market. The more I look around 2.0 seems to be where they are finishing up. Sad but true
Thought you might be thinking something along those lines. Taxes also drive that.
 

terryjm1

Well-known member
This guy gets it. Penicillin, the Polio vaccine and anesthesia are for suckers!
There is always bleach and horse wormer for Covid. 😂

Joking aside, my friends in the UK complain about taxes and fuel prices but i haven’t heard complaints about healthcare… but I haven’t asked either. I have a friend that is an Air Force contractor. He just got back from a job in England where he experienced major allergy problems. He had very nice things to say about the treatment he received. One of his comments was, “…and you don’t go bankrupt if you get sick there.”

A few years ago another friend in Hull was struck by a car riding his bike (to save on filling his petrol tank in his Jag) breaking an arm. He said nothing about his treatment for that. Although he described the person that hit him as an “ignorant sow.”

Also, I know of some pretty horrible experiences in US hospitals and US healthcare in general. There are a lot of attorneys making a fortune off of poor care. For example, my Dad went in for heart surgery, they damaged his epiglottis intubating him, the respiratory therapist that then had to give him treatments spread staph to multiple patients (I noticed and complained about how she wasn’t using full universal precautions a few days before), and a few months later he died from the staph infection after being transferred to another hospital when he shouldn’t have.

My best friend‘s Dad died after a sponge was left in his abdomen after what otherwise should have been a minor surgery with quick recovery. A coworker’s Mom was prescribed a medication that had an established link to cancer and specifically was only to be prescribed for short terms. The doctor had her on it for two years before she was diagnosed with the very specific cancer it is linked. I recently had a CT scan done at a regional hospital. I have Blue Cross / Blue Shield insurance with 20% coinsurance and a $2500 deductible. My share of the $10,000 bill was $5000. Now, I can’t really complain about my cost share as that is the plan I signed up for. But, $10,000 for a 15 minute CT scan? I’m not entirely sure the US healthcare system is the best considering what we pay and how we rank in the world as far as overall health. But, I can’t argue a lot of that is dietary and lifestyle choices typical of the average American. I also have a friend who is a nurse that visited Egypt and had a health emergency that required a several day stay in the hospital. Her out of pocket cost was just over $900 and she didn’t have travel health insurance. She had rave reviews about the care she received and has now moved there permanently. I won’t go without health insurance, regardless, because I don’t want to bankrupt my family if something unexpected happens.

Informed perspective on just about everything, including fuel prices and healthcare, is everything.

I apologize for jumping on the off topic bandwagon.
 
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evilfij

Well-known member
I am not sure which European markets exactly, but vehicles are taxed according to engine displacement. 2.0/3.0/4.0 and then bigger than that is a lot. Italy, Norway, France? I think Germany does it by displacement linearly and then more for CO2 emissions.

Seems silly as merely owning an inefficient car causes no pollution. More effective to tax gasoline, but regardless you don’t see engines above 4.0 in European vehicles (GT Porsches, cayenne, panny, MB 580 is a 4.0, I think Audi and BMW top out at 4.0 as well). I guess rover still has the 5.0, no idea what Ferrari does these days ….

I don’t keep up with this as I have zero interest in new European vehicles. Even the GT Porsches I think have gotten worse since they put in particulate filters.

But anything above 2.0 is rare. Of course they are pushing 300hp on 2.0 turbo engines …..

Japan seems indifferent and at least Toyota has odd sized engines. 2.4, 3.4 etc.

I need to renew some registrations, actually shifting a bunch over to antique. It’s like $50 or something and permanent.
 

blueboy

Well-known member
I need to renew some registrations, actually shifting a bunch over to antique. It’s like $50 or something and permanent.
Yea, that is an advantage to Antique plates and title. My area doesn’t require Emission testing anyhow so that benefit doesn’t apply yet the others certainly do.
 

rocky

NAS-ROW Addict
I don’t know if they still use cubic capacity but they have definitely added an overlay tax accounting for CO2 emissions.

Make me question how we can get electric cars to pay for the road network…..
 

blueboy

Well-known member
Only way to go in PA. I just wish they would change the stupid plate colors.
Agreed. Always liked the Purple.

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