NAS V8 E-Fan Conversion

lithium1330

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I swapped to the Alisport alum radiator with Revo fans. I cut an alum sheet as fan shroud - bc Revo kit didn't come with shroud.
Unfortunately for me, things aren't working with the radiator as it leaks (weeps at a few spots). I posted about the issue before. The fans seem to work well for the most part - keeping temp at 200F and below. I also found if I unlock/unlatch the hood (allow a small crack for venting) helps keep under hood temp in check.
However, when the truck is climbing switchbacks, it'll get hot-hot (215F). So, i have to stop, pop the hood and let things get back to norm.. then go. Kind of annoying.

Now, I'm planning to have the local radiator shop add another row/core to the factory copper radiator and see how that works out. I also wondered if the weepy radiator is contributing to overheat during switchback climbs. I also have a dual Ford Contour fan in the garage that I may try after replacing the radiator.

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rocky

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Put your IR gun on the coolant hoses to confirm the accuracy or otherwise of your temperature readings….
 

jymmiejamz

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I swapped to the Alisport alum radiator with Revo fans. I cut an alum sheet as fan shroud - bc Revo kit didn't come with shroud.
Unfortunately for me, things aren't working with the radiator as it leaks (weeps at a few spots). I posted about the issue before. The fans seem to work well for the most part - keeping temp at 200F and below. I also found if I unlock/unlatch the hood (allow a small crack for venting) helps keep under hood temp in check.
However, when the truck is climbing switchbacks, it'll get hot-hot (215F). So, i have to stop, pop the hood and let things get back to norm.. then go. Kind of annoying.

Now, I'm planning to have the local radiator shop add another row/core to the factory copper radiator and see how that works out. I also wondered if the weepy radiator is contributing to overheat during switchback climbs. I also have a dual Ford Contour fan in the garage that I may try after replacing the radiator.

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On a V8 Discovery I don’t think the condenser fans even come on until it hits 212F
 

1of40

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On a V8 Discovery I don’t think the condenser fans even come on until it hits 212F
Actually 234* per the AC workshop manual on a 97NAS, which I would assume is similar. Installed a manual override switch. I'm headed to the National Rally in a couple of weeks and thought it might be of some use on long steep climbs but I'm not expecting miracles. Turning on the defrost blower probably has about the same effect
 

Siia109

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If anyone wants to get rid of their 200TDi fan shroud - I would be interested cause I keep it simple - Like Solihull intended....and that I'm a box of rocks....
 

jymmiejamz

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Actually 234* per the AC workshop manual on a 97NAS, which I would assume is similar.
Are you sure? I thought that was the temperature that the fuel injection ecu kills the compressor. On 14CUX defenders the switch in the thermostat housing does this.
 

1of40

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Ah! I went back to double check and 234* is when the ECM turns off the condenser fan. 225* when the ECM turns it on.
 

jymmiejamz

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Now I’m even more confused. What manual are you reading this in? I’m not debating you (I’m just going from memory after all), just curious where you found this.

I don’t know why they would have an upper threshold of when the fans cuts off
 

1of40

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Now I’m even more confused. What manual are you reading this in? I’m not debating you (I’m just going from memory after all), just curious where you found this.

I don’t know why they would have an upper threshold of when the fans cuts off
*compressor clutch not fan.
 

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rocky

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Now I’m even more confused. What manual are you reading this in? I’m not debating you (I’m just going from memory after all), just curious where you found this.

I don’t know why they would have an upper threshold of when the fans cuts off

I recall a press day drive of Land Rovers where Journalists complained that the AC shut down when temperatures rose above 100….
 

pmatusov

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Interesting; however, how would one activate electronic the clutch in an older Rover?
Same way one would activate electric fans.
I don't know (a) if the attachment is the same (thread, nut size) and (b) if there's enough room between the front of this clutch and radiator.
But being able to switch off the engine-driven fan would be a boon in very cold weather and for water crossings.
 

Greg_M

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Have you guys looked into something like this?
What an interesting solution. I believe these units are similar to the clutches we're used to in using a silicone fluid differing in that the valve controlling the fluid circuit is itself controlled by a solenoid rather than a bi-metal spring. The hall effect speed sensor in the fan outputs a square wave signal used (along with coolant temp, AC status, etc. etc.) to control pulse width modulated DC to the solenoid. Shouldn't be too difficult to make the electrical side of this work especially if only coolant temp was of concern.
 

pmatusov

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Electric water pumps are an interesting thought as well. Sarek, in Richmond has done a few installs with what the owner I met said was helpful.
Do you have any links?
I thought about it for a little bit - an electric water pump may be a better alternative to engine-driven one. My daughter was terrified once when the water pump bearing failed and the belt slipped off in her Classic.
Just like electric-powered brake booster in a Classic or P38.
 
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