Complete 300Tdi Take out Engine

[DefendersNW]

Complete 300Tdi Take out Engine

We are pulling out a running 300tdi with 30,282 miles for a Cummins R2.8 swap project.

Engine is offered complete with attached ancillaries & down-pipe. (Steering pump, Water pump, alternator, turbo, intercooler, injectors, lift pump, vacuum pump, hoses, fuel pipes, etc...)

Radiator/IC available but not included - buyer of engine has first right of refusal on any additional items that come up for sale after conversion is complete.

On offer at $5000 (cash price) + crating & shipping or no charge for local pickup at Defenders Northwest

Also available complete with transmission/transfer box and radiator/IC

 

[LoamaD90]

Any idea how much to ship to California? With 30,282 miles sounds like it is just getting broken in, any known issues with it or runs great?

 

[1of40]

Any idea how much to ship to California? With 30,282 miles sounds like it is just getting broken in, any known issues with it or runs great?

Do it the fun way. Fly up + rent a truck + hang out at the garage and learn sum-stuff + drive back with a big smile on your face = time well spent.

 

[DefendersNW]

Any idea how much to ship to California? With 30,282 miles sounds like it is just getting broken in, any known issues with it or runs great?

Runs well - will get cleaned up and installed on a local customers project (bought and paid for earlier this week)

I do have a brand new Turner performance stripped motor in a box, and all the ancillaries to do the conversion if you are feeling froggy...

Drive up, strip, clean, and prep the truck. We can keep the project moving while you fly home for a couple weeks to show your face at work, see the family, etc...

Then when it stops raining here, fly back up, finish the install, and run it in on the way home.

 

[LoamaD90]

Runs well - will get cleaned up and installed on a local customers project (bought and paid for earlier this week)

I do have a brand new Turner performance stripped motor in a box, and all the ancillaries to do the conversion if you are feeling froggy...

Drive up, strip, clean, and prep the truck. We can keep the project moving while you fly home for a couple weeks to show your face at work, see the family, etc...

Then when it stops raining here, fly back up, finish the install, and run it in on the way home.

Now you're talking! Is the Turner a 200 or 300? I lean towards a 200tdi due to simplicity of install from the little bit that I've read (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, probably am).

 

[DefendersNW]

Now you're talking! Is the Turner a 200 or 300? I lean towards a 200tdi due to simplicity of install from the little bit that I've read (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, probably am).

PM sent, but I thought the discussion is a fair one for lots of soon-to-be or newly bought Defender owners who haven't had the opportunity drive the different engines. Opinion follows:

The really short version of the conversion from 12j or 19j to a 200tdi vs 300tdi decision is boils down to a few key pro/con notes.

200tdi with LT77
PROS:

• reuse the same floors, tunnel, transmission, power steering, motor mounts, crossmember, seatbox, etc... as the 12j & 19j for a faster and less involved conversion
• much better than the 12j or a worn out 19j, same power as the 300tdi

CONS:

• low production volume - parts resources on some items are challenging
• same tractor transmission - higher RPM at same speed when compared to R380
• engine is closer to bulkhead - more engine noise and heat in cabin
• engine design is not as service friendly - IE:wet timing belt service

300tdi with LT230/T380
PROS:

• Longest/highest volume Tdi engine production, with MOD adoption - affordable parts for a long time to come
• when matched to correct transmission - more on-road friendly driving experience
• tuning/modification/upgrade options readily available

CONS:

• Conversion requires more parts, time, and modification thus more $ (IE:new transmission, cut/weld motor mounts, cut & modify seatbox, new floors, tunnel cover, prop-shafts, transmission crossmember, mounting, linkage, and bulkhead adaptor, etc..

SUMMARY:

As a weekend run-about for recreational weekend trips and casual Friday commuting, the 200tdi will work just fine to keep the "vintage feel" of the truck; while making it a little quicker and faster for road use. If planning to sell in ~5years the lower cost of the 200tdi conversion will be a better cost/return.

With long term ownership, or higher mileage and more frequent use; the initial cost of the 300tdi is offset by lower maintenance time, better parts costs, and a more road ready driving experience.



The offer I made to the OP is extended to anyone with interest - flights to Seattle are frequent and sometimes cheap, it doesn't rain too much in the late summer/early fall, and anyone who wants more information is welcomed to come out to the shop for an afternoon and drive a couple different engines to get a feel for what I am going on about. I'm sure there are a few on the board here who can chime in as I know several have visited, and I always enjoy getting to know more about similarly afflicted Defender folks, and sharing the best parts of our quaint little waterfront town.

 

[rovercolorado]

PM sent, but I thought the discussion is a fair one for lots of soon-to-be or newly bought Defender owners who haven't had the opportunity drive the different engines. Opinion follows:

The really short version of the conversion from 12j or 19j to a 200tdi vs 300tdi decision is boils down to a few key pro/con notes.

200tdi with LT77
PROS:

• reuse the same floors, tunnel, transmission, power steering, motor mounts, crossmember, seatbox, etc... as the 12j & 19j for a faster and less involved conversion
• much better than the 12j or a worn out 19j, same power as the 300tdi

CONS:

• low production volume - parts resources on some items are challenging
• same tractor transmission - higher RPM at same speed when compared to R380
• engine is closer to bulkhead - more engine noise and heat in cabin
• engine design is not as service friendly - IE:wet timing belt service

300tdi with LT230/T380
PROS:

• Longest/highest volume Tdi engine production, with MOD adoption - affordable parts for a long time to come
• when matched to correct transmission - more on-road friendly driving experience
• tuning/modification/upgrade options readily available

CONS:

• Conversion requires more parts, time, and modification thus more $ (IE:new transmission, cut/weld motor mounts, cut & modify seatbox, new floors, tunnel cover, prop-shafts, transmission crossmember, mounting, linkage, and bulkhead adaptor, etc..

SUMMARY:

As a weekend run-about for recreational weekend trips and casual Friday commuting, the 200tdi will work just fine to keep the "vintage feel" of the truck; while making it a little quicker and faster for road use. If planning to sell in ~5years the lower cost of the 200tdi conversion will be a better cost/return.

With long term ownership, or higher mileage and more frequent use; the initial cost of the 300tdi is offset by lower maintenance time, better parts costs, and a more road ready driving experience.

Very well said for both engines and the use in older trucks.
This should be used a reference for anyone looking to upgrade a diesel engine.

200 tdi
CONS: More noise for LT77 at least in my experience
PROS: Time for a shade tree mechanic
300 tdi
CONS: Time for a shade tree mechanic

 

[LoamaD90]

PM sent, but I thought the discussion is a fair one for lots of soon-to-be or newly bought Defender owners who haven't had the opportunity drive the different engines. Opinion follows:

The really short version of the conversion from 12j or 19j to a 200tdi vs 300tdi decision is boils down to a few key pro/con notes.

200tdi with LT77
PROS:

• reuse the same floors, tunnel, transmission, power steering, motor mounts, crossmember, seatbox, etc... as the 12j & 19j for a faster and less involved conversion
• much better than the 12j or a worn out 19j, same power as the 300tdi

CONS:

• low production volume - parts resources on some items are challenging
• same tractor transmission - higher RPM at same speed when compared to R380
• engine is closer to bulkhead - more engine noise and heat in cabin
• engine design is not as service friendly - IE:wet timing belt service

300tdi with LT230/T380
PROS:

• Longest/highest volume Tdi engine production, with MOD adoption - affordable parts for a long time to come
• when matched to correct transmission - more on-road friendly driving experience
• tuning/modification/upgrade options readily available

CONS:

• Conversion requires more parts, time, and modification thus more $ (IE:new transmission, cut/weld motor mounts, cut & modify seatbox, new floors, tunnel cover, prop-shafts, transmission crossmember, mounting, linkage, and bulkhead adaptor, etc..

SUMMARY:

As a weekend run-about for recreational weekend trips and casual Friday commuting, the 200tdi will work just fine to keep the "vintage feel" of the truck; while making it a little quicker and faster for road use. If planning to sell in ~5years the lower cost of the 200tdi conversion will be a better cost/return.

With long term ownership, or higher mileage and more frequent use; the initial cost of the 300tdi is offset by lower maintenance time, better parts costs, and a more road ready driving experience.



The offer I made to the OP is extended to anyone with interest - flights to Seattle are frequent and sometimes cheap, it doesn't rain too much in the late summer/early fall, and anyone who wants more information is welcomed to come out to the shop for an afternoon and drive a couple different engines to get a feel for what I am going on about. I'm sure there are a few on the board here who can chime in as I know several have visited, and I always enjoy getting to know more about similarly afflicted Defender folks, and sharing the best parts of our quaint little waterfront town.

Yep I received the PM, this is extremely helpful! Thank you for putting this together, it's very detailed which I like. Now comes the decision which is not an easy one, at least for me. I think I still have some time to make a decision but I feel much more prepared when that time comes.

 

[RBBailey]

The 300Tdi isn't exactly a quiet engine. I'm sure I have some work to do to quiet the whole truck. Specifically, rattles and such. But it is anything but a modern engine. Even the Td5 Brian let me drive last year was quieter, but not by much. It's a Defender thing that just has to be dealt with.

I wonder about the 2.8, how that will compare.

The 300Tdi and R380 are not bad at all on the road, as far as driving. I really never feel like I'm lagging much at all, except when trying to pay attention to that 0-60 time. It isn't an accelerating type of vehicle, but it doesn't have any trouble keeping up with 60-65 mph traffic on any normal freeway. Going up hills will mean you have to watch the EGTs and RPMs, but up to a certain steepness, you hardly feel the hills if you are at speed beforehand. The shift points are actually just a little bit beyond what you would get in the '90s RRC and Discos with the ZF trans.