I do for 3/16” brake line. I have a different one for doing 5/16” fuel lines. It isn’t really smaller than most normal benders, it’s just made to do a smaller radius bend.
Brake line flaring tool
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Andrew
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It seems that figuring out the fittings is the challenging part to planning this out. Here's what I've ordered so far besides the Eastwood flaring tool, bender, and cutter.
Stainless tubing (open wholesale account or use promo code on their blog for discount):
4lifetimelines.com
It appears 4lifetimelines is owned by AGS according to this trademark filing info: https://trademarks.justia.com/878/24/4lifetimelines-87824382.html
Tubing straightener (looks identical to Eastwood version):
4lifetimelines.com
M10x1.0 male fitting for bubble flare (2 packs of 12. These look like maybe they are higher quality than the 4lifetimelines ones. I don't know.):
M12x1.0 male fitting for bubble flare (for ABS modulator and Defender 2.8i clutch slave cylinder):
www.inlinetube.com
I haven't yet found an M10x1.0 female inverted flare fitting in stainless. I emailed Classic Tube to see if they sell them. Here's a mild steel one. It can be ordered from most LR parts suppliers: https://www.bearmach.com/product/brake-hydraulic-parts-brbhbhpa/brake-pipe-union-3-16-metric-female-brake-pipe-unions-ba-0003/BA 0003
I'd like to make a new clutch pipe from the slave cylinder too. I found a used P38 diesel one on eBay UK (it's NLA new) that I'll use as a template unless it's in good enough shape to reuse. The fitting is different for the P38 clutch hose, so I'm going to see if I can make it fit a standard NAS Defender clutch hose. It appears the fitting is M11x1.25 inverted flare. Is that correct?
Another thing I need to figure out is that the Td5 & Puma have two different brake hoses at the rear. One with a male and female fitting and one with a male fitting on both ends (SHB101370 (male both ends) and SHB101430 (female plus male ends)). Do you know which is the right side and which is the left side?
Stainless tubing (open wholesale account or use promo code on their blog for discount):
3/16
3/16" x 25' Stainless Steel Tubing Coil applicable for brake, fuel, and transmission lines Coil offers unmatched flexibility for bending and flaring 316L marine-grade tubing for highest level corrosion protection Includes a lifetime warranty through 4LifetimeLines.
It appears 4lifetimelines is owned by AGS according to this trademark filing info: https://trademarks.justia.com/878/24/4lifetimelines-87824382.html
Tubing straightener (looks identical to Eastwood version):
3/16
Looking for a reliable and easy-to-use tubing straightener? Our handheld tool is the perfect solution for straightening 3/16" tubing with ease.
M10x1.0 male fitting for bubble flare (2 packs of 12. These look like maybe they are higher quality than the 4lifetimelines ones. I don't know.):
10mm x 1.0 Bubble Flare STAINLESS Tube Nut Fitting 3/16 Brake Line 12 pcs. | eBay
Pn# - 1458ss - 12pc Bubble flare. Thread 10mm x 1.0, Hex Head 10mm, Finish Stainless. Stainless Brake Line Fitting for 3/16" or 4.50 MM Tubing. 3/16" Tube adaptor 3/8-24 Thread(Female) to 3/8-24 bubble flare (Male) Stainless.
www.ebay.com
M12x1.0 male fitting for bubble flare (for ABS modulator and Defender 2.8i clutch slave cylinder):
Tube Nut 12mmX1.0 For 3/16 4.7 Tube Stainless
Tube Nut 12mmX1.0 For 3/16 4.7 Tube Stainless
I haven't yet found an M10x1.0 female inverted flare fitting in stainless. I emailed Classic Tube to see if they sell them. Here's a mild steel one. It can be ordered from most LR parts suppliers: https://www.bearmach.com/product/brake-hydraulic-parts-brbhbhpa/brake-pipe-union-3-16-metric-female-brake-pipe-unions-ba-0003/BA 0003
I'd like to make a new clutch pipe from the slave cylinder too. I found a used P38 diesel one on eBay UK (it's NLA new) that I'll use as a template unless it's in good enough shape to reuse. The fitting is different for the P38 clutch hose, so I'm going to see if I can make it fit a standard NAS Defender clutch hose. It appears the fitting is M11x1.25 inverted flare. Is that correct?
Another thing I need to figure out is that the Td5 & Puma have two different brake hoses at the rear. One with a male and female fitting and one with a male fitting on both ends (SHB101370 (male both ends) and SHB101430 (female plus male ends)). Do you know which is the right side and which is the left side?
One thing I would recommend you add to your list is a tubing straightener that you can use on sharp bends. The tubing straightener with the wheels only really works to straighten tubing that has been coiled, not bent.It seems that figuring out the fittings is the challenging part to planning this out. Here's what I've ordered so far besides the Eastwood flaring tool, bender, and cutter.
Stainless tubing (open wholesale account or use promo code on their blog for discount):
3/16
3/16" x 25' Stainless Steel Tubing Coil applicable for brake, fuel, and transmission lines Coil offers unmatched flexibility for bending and flaring 316L marine-grade tubing for highest level corrosion protection Includes a lifetime warranty through 4LifetimeLines.
It appears 4lifetimelines is owned by AGS according to this trademark filing info: https://trademarks.justia.com/878/24/4lifetimelines-87824382.html
Tubing straightener (looks identical to Eastwood version):
3/16
Looking for a reliable and easy-to-use tubing straightener? Our handheld tool is the perfect solution for straightening 3/16" tubing with ease.
M10x1.0 male fitting for bubble flare (2 packs of 12. These look like maybe they are higher quality than the 4lifetimelines ones. I don't know.):
10mm x 1.0 Bubble Flare STAINLESS Tube Nut Fitting 3/16 Brake Line 12 pcs. | eBay
Pn# - 1458ss - 12pc Bubble flare. Thread 10mm x 1.0, Hex Head 10mm, Finish Stainless. Stainless Brake Line Fitting for 3/16" or 4.50 MM Tubing. 3/16" Tube adaptor 3/8-24 Thread(Female) to 3/8-24 bubble flare (Male) Stainless.www.ebay.com
M12x1.0 male fitting for bubble flare (for ABS modulator and Defender 2.8i clutch slave cylinder):
Tube Nut 12mmX1.0 For 3/16 4.7 Tube Stainless
Tube Nut 12mmX1.0 For 3/16 4.7 Tube Stainless
I haven't yet found an M10x1.0 female inverted flare fitting in stainless. I emailed Classic Tube to see if they sell them. Here's a mild steel one. It can be ordered from most LR parts suppliers: https://www.bearmach.com/product/brake-hydraulic-parts-brbhbhpa/brake-pipe-union-3-16-metric-female-brake-pipe-unions-ba-0003/BA 0003
I'd like to make a new clutch pipe from the slave cylinder too. I found a used P38 diesel one on eBay UK (it's NLA new) that I'll use as a template unless it's in good enough shape to reuse. The fitting is different for the P38 clutch hose, so I'm going to see if I can make it fit a standard NAS Defender clutch hose. It appears the fitting is M11x1.25 inverted flare. Is that correct?
Another thing I need to figure out is that the Td5 & Puma have two different brake hoses at the rear. One with a male and female fitting and one with a male fitting on both ends (SHB101370 (male both ends) and SHB101430 (female plus male ends)). Do you know which is the right side and which is the left side?
I have one like this
Andrew
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Picture the Defender M52 & P38 clutch, not the Defender V8. The slave cylinder is on the lower right side of the bell housing. I have a custom braided hose on there now, but I don't like how it's routed because I have it going underneath and the exhaust goes directly below the slave cylinder. So I'm going with the P38 pipe that goes up and over. That way it won't go anywhere near the exhaust and it's too far of a distance for a hose also. This will be better. But I would like to be able to use an off-the-shelf clutch hose to make replacements easy. So I could change the fitting on the pipe to match the Defender hose or use an adapter. The P38 hose has a different style end.
Photo of P38 clutch pipe routing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/274856182597
Defender V8 clutch hose: https://www.roversnorth.com/parts/nrc2211_flex_hose_clutch_rrc_defender_discovery_i
P38 clutch hose: https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-ANR3344
It looks like there are AN adapters like this I could connect to the P38 pipe, but I don't know if there's an adapter I could connect to the Defender hose. I could put an adapter on both ends to use a generic -3 or -4 AN hose I guess.
What's the wrench for?
Andrew
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What do you use it for? Is it for fixing bending mistakes?
Yep
Andrew
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I've always used a normal open end wrench of the correct size. Never stripped one before. I've never thought of using a dedicated tool. That's cool.
Andrew
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I found this forum post on defender2.net that lists which is the rear left and right hoses on a Puma (ABS) (Amazon shows the same). The left is SHB101430 and the right is SHB101370. It appears the Puma brake pipes only have 1 female fitting on them (to connect to the SHB101370 hose). The center pipes connect to female unions and the front hoses have female fittings to connect to male fittings on the pipes. I ordered the correct brackets for the front swivel pin housings. Classic Tube got back to me and they won't supply the fittings. They said to find them online. The only female stainless one I've found is in the UK here. But I'm not sure what the difference is between the female fittings with a flat end vs tapered. Is it for a different flare?
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Napalm00
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you will end up using them for everything, a life changing tool
Andrew
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Nice. Maybe I'll get this set at HF: https://www.harborfreight.com/metri...c-56793.html?_br_psugg_q=flare+nut+wrench+set. I'd love to have the Snap-On set, but $334 is a lot for some tools I wouldn't use very often. Every now and then I buy some Snap-On tools, especially when I see good deals on eBay. I use their torque wrenches for everything.
Napalm00
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no no no thats that im saying. you dont need these. the Knipex plier wrench will replace all those wrenches
KNIPEX Tools - Pliers Wrench, Chrome (8603150SBA) - Slip Joint Pliers - Amazon.com
KNIPEX Tools - Pliers Wrench, Chrome (8603150SBA) - Slip Joint Pliers - Amazon.com
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One of the most useful tools I own and I take it with me on the trail, always. I think @Dan kemper turned me onto this one.
evilfij
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They work well. The can also be used as a mini press to straiten sheet metal. I find the 180mm model is the one I use (along with the giant one but that I use for plumbing).
Also Knipex cobra, forged wire strippers, and twin grip are worth the money. I’d get cobras first as they are the most useful. I have some in every vehicle and every tool set and tend to grab them for pretty much anything and everything. That and malco eagle grips (malco bought the old vise grip factory and they are the best locking pliers by far) are my favorite pliers.
The pliers wrench is handy if you don’t have the right wrench or socket or to hold the other end of a bolt/nut. I need to try them on brake line fittings. I use a six point deep socket to break the bleeder and the flare nut wrench on the lines now. Vastly superior to an adjustable wrench. Vastly, especially in not slipping.
Amazon.de is your friend for best prices on Knipex.
Also Knipex cobra, forged wire strippers, and twin grip are worth the money. I’d get cobras first as they are the most useful. I have some in every vehicle and every tool set and tend to grab them for pretty much anything and everything. That and malco eagle grips (malco bought the old vise grip factory and they are the best locking pliers by far) are my favorite pliers.
The pliers wrench is handy if you don’t have the right wrench or socket or to hold the other end of a bolt/nut. I need to try them on brake line fittings. I use a six point deep socket to break the bleeder and the flare nut wrench on the lines now. Vastly superior to an adjustable wrench. Vastly, especially in not slipping.
Amazon.de is your friend for best prices on Knipex.
Andrew
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Okay, so I just noticed the pipes for the ABS master cylinder to modulator/pump are 1/4" instead of 3/16". That makes sense that they are larger since they each split into 2 circuits. The clutch pipe is 1/4" also.
I also decided I like the tube nuts from 4lifetimelines. They are nice.
I also decided I like the tube nuts from 4lifetimelines. They are nice.
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Andrew
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It looks like the Swagelok tube benders are the way to go for stainless from reading various forums. Except they don't make a 3/16" version. It appears the 600 series Ridgid benders are basically knockoffs and they have a 3/16" version. That's model 603. The 1/4" version is model 604. They're made in China, so I thought I'd check AliExpress. They're on there. Reviewers say they're the real thing, but even if they're a knockoff of the knockoff I guess that's not so bad. Test Equipment Depot in the US has them for a little more.
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