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Old 06-14-2018, 08:18 AM   #71
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Yep. I agree. I have hope, but I can't get past their recent history.

Honestly, I like the LR3/4, and in some way, I do like the new Discovery, but ...as a replacement for something they've done in the past? As a gap between a farm/work/military truck, and a family SUV? Uuuuuuu.... no.

I can't figure out why they are so robotically stuck on this bubble design. It's like a bad AI program is in charge of spitting out the ideas, and the humans are only allowed to do the finishing touches. And then I have the dealer pointing at the Discovery in the showroom and happily blaming the EPA for the rotten egg shape; as if I'm supposed to be happy about how awesome it is in spite of what it is. In the end, I found myself in the Land Rover dealership thinking about how Jeep and Toyota are still designing cars in the right way...

Anyway, you guys get it, rant off.

Oh yeah I am not blaming the EPA for design issues not even close to the amount of blame that I put on them for crappy gas mileage in the name of using corn to burn cleaner fuel. Are we really being more clean when our gas mileage is much less?





I am in the the industry and the stuff that I see is mind boggling. And it seems that CARB (california) sets the tone for the rest of the country no matter how idiotic it might seem to the rest of the country.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:46 AM   #72
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The new Discovery is a sales failure versus previous generations.
I just can?t see how Mr Fancy pants McGovern can honor history and design a Defender that fits the Explorer/Cowboy/tough truck image and functionality we love.
He?s past his sell by date in my book.
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Old 06-28-2018, 10:11 PM   #73
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Do you have sales #?s for the D5.. i know they were selling the last of the LR4?s at a markup b/c people wanted them a lot.

I keep hoping for a good product from LR in the defender, but secretly know i am going to buy another Land cruiser or if the Jeep pickup is all its cracked up to be with the diesel then maybe that.
With McGovern in charge I?m sure it will look like the rest of them and have a posh interior, air suspension, auto terrain stuff, the lot of it for the US.
I?m actually fine then Full Indy suspension it would really give us some interesting options to play with similar to the LR3 - but the aftermarket will actually build for it.

That said....

I have been really impressed with the JL, it has come a long way, in the right way. (My neighbor sells jeeps so i can request he bring one home for the night and try them out). The diesel and the pickup will be out soon (sept/oct) the biggest detractor for the pickup is the load capacity is not on par with a 130, instead it matches the Tacoma and beats it by a little. towing capacity is useable. The jury is out on the VMI diesel motor though.. hopefully they have resolved the initial issues with them in the other jeeps so the JL will get a reliable one.



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Old 06-28-2018, 10:26 PM   #74
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I'm hoping the JL pickup paves the way for a longer cargo area hardtop ala the Africa concept. That thing was perfect. Offroad prowress, good interior space, modern build but classic looking.

I've stopped caring about the Defender replacement. With my family moving to the UK now I'm going to be able to get a galvanized chassis series with a 300tdi drivetrain and call it a day. LR won't make anything that can compare to that feeling you get driving in a series or Defender.
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Old 06-30-2018, 09:17 AM   #75
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The only Defender Mcgovern is going to design will be the Liberace edition.

In the interview in Alloy &Grit mag Mcgovern specifically said that the people that currently own Defenders are not their target. It does not make sense to sell to people that keep 30 to 40 yr old vehicles running. They want to sell to people that buy a new vehicle every 3 to 4 years.
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Do you have sales #?s for the D5.. i know they were selling the last of the LR4?s at a markup b/c people wanted them a lot.

Euro Sales figures http://carsalesbase.com/european-car...ver-discovery/
US Sales http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...lr3-discovery/
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Old 07-01-2018, 03:42 PM   #77
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I'm one of a few people that are waiting for the late model LR4s to drop in price.. Just not interested at all in the 2017/18 JLR Ford Explorer.
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