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Old 10-12-2018, 11:35 PM   #21
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:31 AM   #22
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I think what many don't understand, is that ECR is not pumping out $150k "builds" like many of the newcomer shops.

It's a $300k plus project with them, if you supply your own decent NAS 110 or NAS 90. Just a different league. And, it's worth every penny. Those of you who know, know.

I can tell an ECR 110 from 100 feet away because they are put together so square. No one, no one, does it like Mike's crew.

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Old 10-19-2018, 11:57 AM   #23
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I think what many don't understand, is that ECR is not pumping out $150k "builds" like many of the newcomer shops.

It's a $300k plus project with them, if you supply your own decent NAS 110 or NAS 90. Just a different league. And, it's worth every penny. Those of you who know, know.

I can tell an ECR 110 from 100 feet away because they are put together so square. No one, no one, does it like Mike's crew.

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I?ve seen a few pristine builds that would rival the ECR trucks I?ve seen in person. Perhaps the difference is the level of ?stock/genuine/factory? parts. Fit and finish...debatable.

You make my point, ECR?s customer base is not enthusiasts. And again, absolutely nothing wrong with that. Same as the cherry NAS and NAS ECR trucks you market. I?m very pleased ECR and Copley keep the high end of the market in good order!




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Old 10-19-2018, 12:15 PM   #24
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You make my point, ECR?s customer base is not enthusiasts. And again, absolutely nothing wrong with that. Same as the cherry NAS and NAS ECR trucks you market. I?m very pleased ECR and Copley keep the high end of the market in good order!
I think you're falsely trying to equate expensive builds with non-enthusiasts. The guy I bought my truck from had zero interest in the brand or lineage. He just saw a cool 4x4 that he could put fat tires on and bomb through the woods. He probably would have been happier buying a 90s Cherokee.

On the other hand I've worked with a man who has a barn full of cars that are each worth $200k+. He can't drive them due to medical reasons so he pays someone to drive him and the car to car shows all over the place. He sits in a chair next to the car and chats for hours with people.

I wouldn't say people that are willing to pay for the quality ECR is know for aren't enthusiasts.

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Old 10-19-2018, 12:20 PM   #25
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From what I see, the people going to ECR are people that actually use them. They are looking for reliability and quality, not bling.
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Old 10-19-2018, 12:24 PM   #26
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I think you're falsely trying to equate expensive builds with non-enthusiasts. The guy I bought my truck from had zero interest in the brand or lineage. He just saw a cool 4x4 that he could put fat tires on and bomb through the woods. He probably would have been happier buying a 90s Cherokee.

On the other hand I've worked with a man who has a barn full of cars that are each worth $200k+. He can't drive them due to medical reasons so he pays someone to drive him and the car to car shows all over the place. He sits in a chair next to the car and chats for hours with people.

I wouldn't say people that are willing to pay for the quality ECR is know for aren't enthusiasts.

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Nah, it?s darn hard to express opinions online, and I come across as having a very extreme left or right position when I do not intend to. Your point is very valid, I have family with rare Italian metal who drive them daily and are in every sense of the word ?enthusiasts.?

I would say my opinion is that based off my interactions and perception from afar, with pricing within the small NAS community just being one of the metrics.

But this is all neither here or there. We all agree ECR is tops in the business and they should have no apologies for doing it their way!



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Old 11-26-2018, 12:31 PM   #27
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This is a phenomenon you find in most any specialty car market - there will only be a handful of worthwhile shops, and they tend to be geographically overwhelmed. They may experience a downturn in the level of service they can provide and/or may limit the projects they take on in order to guarantee a caliber of product they are willing to put their name on. This can be driven by quality, focus area or a combination of both and other factors as well.

It does make it difficult for those of us looking in the middle ground of restoration as we become uninteresting to many shops. As the OP may have noted, this is not limited to ECR or the "nationally known" mega build shops. I myself have experienced this with highly regarded members of this very board
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Where does SafariHP fit in here? Their builds seem to be top notch and they still give great customer service for people purchasing odd parts here and there.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:22 PM   #29
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I just keep coming back to the fact that the New Defender will be selling for about half what a 2014 Defender would sell for in the USA, yet Land Rover keeps saying there was no market for the old style...............
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I think it was more that they didn't feel like retrofitting airbags in a vehicle designed in the 60s (70s?)
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