Edlebrock

Edlebrock 4bbl greatness

The rover V8 was designed by GM to be fed by a 4bbl carb. As the Rover zenith carbs get old they can be quite troublesome. We have had several trucks come in running on 1 carb. Yes they can be fixed, and are ok when right, but if an owner is paying by the hour you can exceed the cost of all new parts quickly.

About to do a conversion so will post pictures of how we do it.
First right out of the box, it's mechanical porn to me

Damn that's sexy!

An upgrade I want but will have to wait until I have the funds!

This is going on a 3.5, I assume. Edelbrock 2198? This would also work on later LR V8's, of higher displacement, correct?

This is good timing. Do you buy the complete kits that the UK vendors offer or do you source the parts local?

Thanks

HAB said:

This is good timing. Do you buy the complete kits that the UK vendors offer or do you source the parts local?

Thanks

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This stuff is all american, why order from the UK

Items Purchased on This Order:

Item Status* Price Qty. Total

Edelbrock 2198 - Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifolds EDL-2198
Intake Manifold, Performer, Dual Plane, Aluminum, Natural, Square Bore, Buick, Land Rover, Oldsmobile, 3.5L
(Mfr. #: 2198)
Ready to Ship
Next Day Air
$278.49 1 $278.49


Fel-Pro MS96002 - Fel-Pro Valley Pan Gaskets FEL-MS96002
Gasket, Valley Pan, Embossed Metal, Buick, 215, V8, Each
(Mfr. #: MS96002)
Ready to Ship
Next Day Air
$18.97 1 $18.97


Four Seasons 84899 - Four Seasons Water Necks FSS-84899
Water Neck, Replacement, Buick, Chevy, GMC, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Each
(Mfr. #: 84899)
Ready to Ship
Next Day Air
$9.97 1 $9.97


Mr. Gasket 6352G - Mr. Gasket Aluminum Pipe Plugs MRG-6352G
Pipe Plugs, Steel, Chrome, NPT , Set of 8
(Mfr. #: 6352G)
Ready to Ship
Next Day Air
$14.68 1 $14.68


Professional Products 52126 - Professional Products Throttle Cable Bracket Kits PFS-52126
Throttle Cable Bracket, Steel, Zinc Plated, Chevy, Small Block, Kit
(Mfr. #: 52126)
Ready to Ship
Next Day Air
$28.97 1 $28.97


Summit Racing SUM-G1423 - Summit Racing? Carburetor Stud Kits SUM-G1423
Carburetor Studs, Steel, Zinc Plated, 5/16-18/24 in. x 1.700 in. Long, Kit
(Mfr. #: SUM-G1423)
Ready to Ship
Next Day Air
$6.25 1 $6.25


Summit Racing SUM-G3003 - Summit Racing? Air Cleaners SUM-G3003
Air Filter Assembly, 14 in. Diameter, Round, Steel, Chrome, Summit Logo, 3 in. Filter Height, Each
(Mfr. #: SUM-G3003)
Ready to Ship
Next Day Air
$25.97 1 $25.97


Edelbrock 9266 - Edelbrock Heat Insulator Gaskets EDL-9266
Carburetor Mounting Gasket, Heat Insulator, Nitrile Rubber Composite, 4-Barrel, Square Bore, 2-Hole, Each
(Mfr. #: 9266)
Ready to Ship
Next Day Air
$18.92 1 $18.92


ARP 124-2001 - ARP Chromoly Intake Manifold Bolt Kits ARP-124-2001
Bolts, Intake Manifold, Chromoly, Black Oxide, Hex Head, Buick 1961-63, 215 , V8, Kit
(Mfr. #: 124-2001)
Ready to Ship
Next Day Air
$30.44 1 $30.44


Edelbrock 1403 - Edelbrock Performer Carburetors EDL-1403
Carburetor, Performer, 500 cfm, 4-Barrel, Square Bore, Electric Choke, Single Inlet, Silver, Each
(Mfr. #: 1403)
Ready to Ship
Next Day Air
$375.23 1 $375.23


Charges for This Order:
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Part Subtotal: $807.89

This was a cut and paste from an email, the water outlet elbow part number is incorrect. Fortunately only $10 so not worth the hassle to ship back. More on the water outlet elbow/thermostat housing later.

85RED110 said:

This is going on a 3.5, I assume. Edelbrock 2198? This would also work on later LR V8's, of higher displacement, correct?

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Kent yes manifold will work on any "rover" v8. Trey's green 83 110 is running this setup with a 4.2 v8 out of an lwb and is a blast to drive. You thinking of pulling your injection system off ?

glad to see someone doing a write up of this, Thanks Doug!

Which metering rods and jets will you be running in the 1403?

My stage 1 has a 3.5 (with a hot cam) with a 1404 (mechanical choke vs. electric choke on the 1403). On the stock jets and rods (1423 jet and 0.065"x0.052") it seemed to be running rich, I stuck with the 1423 jet and tried a 0.067"x0.055" metering rod (position 6 on the chart), then ultimately settled on using the 1423 jet with a 0.068"x0.052" rod (position 7 on the chart). At this setting it still performs excellent while smelling less like fuel. I was wondering if anyone has played around with the rods and jets further and found and even more optimal setting. Most others I've talked to just run the 1423 jets and 0.065"x0.052" rods and call it good...

Edit: Picture appears too small, see page 11 of the carb manual: http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/misc/tech-center/dl/carb-owners-manual.pdf

-Rob

Uncle Douglas said:

Kent yes manifold will work on any "rover" v8. Trey's green 83 110 is running this setup with a 4.2 v8 out of an lwb and is a blast to drive. You thinking of pulling your injection system off ?

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Yes. Thinking of a new standalone FI system, like FiTech, Edelbrock E-Street, Holley Sniper EFI, etc....

A couple of local guys run this setup, their trucks run _great_.

Is this the correct thermostat housing?

http://www.taperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=TA_1535

Thanks

Depending on what year your truck is you should be able to re-use the rover v8 thermostat housing. With the 87 I just did this was the case. Also re- used both of the heater hoses @ the rear of the manifold as well as the two short ones off the water pump housing. The long heater pipe under the manifold the manifold we cleaned up painted and re-used but the edlebrock isn't drilled and tapped for it to bolt underneath like the rover intake was.

The instructions with the carb and manifold are very straight forward and self explanatory. There is also a dvd to walk you through most every aspect of tuning etc. We re-used the original accelerator cable, hoses ( block off the fuel return to the tank). The throttle return spring and bracket were re-used, the aluminum heater hose nipple on the back of the original manifold moves right over just like the thermostat housing. The supplied throttle bracket listed in the earlier parts list is held on by two of the manifold bolts on the left side. There was also a throttle cable bracket listed that is adjustable and has a large square cut ou for the the clevis end of the cable to pass through. I simply put a slit in two washers for either side of this square opening for the cable to pass through. This becomes the adjustment point for the accelerator cable.
The only fabrication needed is the valve cover breathers need to be plumbed into the vacuum port on the back of the carb. Edlebrock supplies the port on the front for your power brake vacuum but you will need to purchase a 3/8 hose barb for the rear. I uses two 3/8 hose barb unions and 1 "T". I re-used the breather hoses from the valve covers and cut them off where they were straight so I could work a union in and then completed the breather set up with some 3/8 id fuel line I had. Since this is just crank case vacuum there is no need to go crazy with hose clamps etc. I force fit everything and then wrapped the joints with black electrical tape rather than use 8 hose clamps.

This fitment made a night and day difference on this particular truck.
The owner drove it back to the DC area without issue and a big smile on his face.

Doug, Thank you for posting this. I have had all of the parts on hand to do this for almost a year but now I am more motivated to dive in and get it done.
Would you be willing to share how many hours of labor this conversion should take?

Doug,
Did you put a blanking plate over this hole, or was it used for the heater?

Man that's a tall intake, but yes that would be for the heater

Same intake that Uncle Doug had pictured in the first post. Only difference is that Im not using a 4 barrel carb.

85RED110 said:

Same intake that Uncle Doug had pictured in the first post. Only difference is that Im not using a 4 barrel carb.

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Rover Porn...

Roverman2010 said:

Man that's a tall intake, but yes that would be for the heater

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So I'll need a water neck for this. I'm guessing it's for water return from the heater core, and the smaller nipple on the front of the thermostat housing is for the inlet water hose to the heater core?

Got about 80% done today. The fuel command center is all plumbed up, and the EFI unit is in place. Need to drill and install the O2 sensor, and wire up the ignition. The only real pain in the ass is the threaded ports on the intake manifold. The one in front for the water temp sensor will not accept the sensor that came with the EFI system. It wont thread at all. And the vacuum port on top will not accept any plug or fitting I can find. This is really pissing me off.

Awesome write up and exactly what I was looking for.
Had a chance to meet up with 85red110, to check out his EFI setup, which is bad ass by the way. Thanks for letting me take a look at it.
Right now my SU carbs are still running fine but I may just have to do one of the above upgrades down the road.