V8 Manual - clutch problem, gears wont engage with engine running

[Napalm00]

Hey guys - I can’t seem to get this fitting undone ... its the clutch line from slave to master. The Dorman clutch comes with a new line I want to use.

besides cutting the line and putting a socket onto it, any idea? Honestly I can’t even get a 14mm flare but wrench, and the 15mm is a little loose. The bracket is too flexible and moves when I try and twist anything. Oh, the threaded washer under the fitting is loosened, but I can’t get the underside of it undone.

thanks.

“Desperate in Omaha”

Because that fitting is SAE not metric.

 

[abruzzano]

Do you really need that if you have the flex hose?

As in do I need the bracket? Not sure? RN said I should replace the rubber tube as well as those get beat up, but wouldn’t I need to run it through that coupling that currently exists? The black home fits into the steal braided line.

 

[abruzzano]

Because that fitting is SAE not metric.

It is metric.... wish it had been that simple. I tried cleaning off the fitting from grease and gunk - but no luck.

 

[Napalm00]

It's isn't metric , the nuts and line thread are sae. But whatever you got to work it's all that matters

 

[Napalm00]

As in do I need the bracket? Not sure? RN said I should replace the rubber tube as well as those get beat up, but wouldn’t I need to run it through that coupling that currently exists? The black home fits into the steal braided line.

he was thinking that the flex line connects directly to the slave and it does not. You still need to bracket and you still need the lower rubber line

 

[abruzzano]

he was thinking that the flex line connects directly to the slave and it does not. You still need to bracket and you still need the lower rubber line

@Napalm00 - that's not correct. The rubber line attached to the metal supply line that attaches to the slave. The problem I'm having is unscrewing the metal line from the master at that first connection in the picture

 

[Napalm00]

That's exactly what I'm saying... You need to keep all this shit. The bracket and the rubber flex line are still used with the stainless steel braided line that you got in your kit.

Don't worry about mangling the original solid line just use pipe pliers and mangle it to get it off if you have to. Even a dremel with a cut-off disc could be used to cut through all that to save the bulkhead bracket that you need.

 

[abruzzano]

OK - will go hardcore on it tomorrow.

 

[abruzzano]

How about heating it up with a torch?

 

[Napalm00]

Sure that will work

Also these are worth those weight in gold for stuff like this .

Amazon.com

They work much better than line/flare wrenchs

 

[abruzzano]

Thank you. I definitely see those in my near future.

 

[abruzzano]

Cut with dremmel. 15mm socket. Job done ... now for the rest of it...

 

[abruzzano]

FML!

I needed to remove the retaining nut to pull the slave out and this came with it!

How do I reattach it without getting deeper into the gearbox?>? It came out attached to the slave cylinder rod.

 

[javelinadave]

@abruzzano
You seriously need to consult the service manual for help with one of the easiest Defender repair jobs.
We can keep handing you fish or give you a fishing pole.
Here is a fishing pole:

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[Napalm00]

FML!

I needed to remove the retaining nut to pull the slave out and this came with it!

How do I reattach it without getting deeper into the gearbox?>? It came out attached to the slave cylinder rod.

It's doable to put that back into place but you are going to hate life. I have used an empty bic pen tube to hold the rod with the clip in place on the end and a zip tie loosely looped around the clip. Using a mirror insert the rod back into its pivot point on the clutch fork push the plastic clip into place with the pen tube that is holding the rod. Holding that in place use a pair of pliers to tighten the zip tie that holds it all together.

You should definitely consult the repair manual as stated


If you can't get it done you will be pulling the engine

 

[JimC]

Oh yes, reinstalling the push rod without pulling everything is a massive pita. Adam C and I did it on his truck last year only to have the clutch fork punch through soon after. This is a v8 with a cast iron fork, so you probably won’t have that problem.

I used the Bic pen trick me timed above but also had a sliding outer tube to push the plastic fork into place. This also required setting up a magnetic mirror to get a good bore sight and a magnetic light. Only so many hands...

 

[abruzzano]

@javelinadave thanks for the link. I already have the manual in hand, and have searched plenty of forums - and for a guy that hasn't done auto work since his Fiero 2M4, I'm looking for help and advice - as this is probably at the edge of may capabilities for my first mechanical job. As stated before I was going to do a wrapup to post for the next guy.

Happy for you to remove me from the forum though if asking for technical help and learning is not what this place is about.

 

[LostChord]

Happy for you to remove me from the forum though if asking for technical help and learning is not what this place is about.

Well, that's one way not to get the help you're looking for....



Dave is right, this is one of the most straightforward jobs you can do. What you are discovering is the nature of these trucks to turn a simple job into a PITA.

JimC and Napalm have given you your only options for reattaching the push rod in-situ. Otherwise, the engine or trans has to come out. Most prefer to pull the motor, but I'd rather pull the trans since I'm more comfortable with that. Since you're this deep in it, it's probably better anyway that you found out now instead of later that your push rod wasn't zip tied to the clutch fork. Make sure you zip tie it back on.

And the reason I'm more comfortable with that is because this is the forum who helped me successfully replace my transmission, transfer case and clutch for the first time. So, yeah, I'd say they are generous with the technical help regardless of experience level. This place is about many things, learning is just one of them.

 

[Tbaumer]

In defense of abruzzano, I would not know what to do if that piece came out with my recently replaced slave cylinder, & I would be asking this forum for help. For sure the Land Rover Manual should be consulted first, but asking the question can save search frustration & get the fix on!