R2.8 Buildout Shopping list

WreckITFrank

WreckITFrank

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Anyone have a good list of the core things needed for a 2.8 build? Having some discussions with friends and doing an armchair build of a 110. Just put some assumed points down where uncertainty of what to use. Seems like both Axis and Quickdraw seem to have most of major components, but the websites are quite lacking on info. Better seen on Instagram and Facebook from what I can see. Lets put labor aside and go with just price and where to buy. Thanks.

For sake of argument lets go with 1993, 200tdi 110 as the starting point.

Engine - (Quickdraw)
Cummins 2.8 w/ 380 Stumpy Adapter - $7995
Cummins 2.8 w/ 380 Adapter - $7995
Cummins 2.8 w/ 380 Stumpy Trans - $10,895
Cummins 2.8 w/ 380 Trans - $10,895
Cummins 2.8 w/ Tremec TR4050 Trans - $12,390

Engine Mounts - Generic Included w/ QD kit

Trans (HD Setup from Ashcroft)
R380 - £1030
R380 Stumpy - £1225
Tremec TR4050 - see QD kit
Clutch Kit- Inc w/ QD kit

Transfer Case (HD Setup, w/ Larger Sump from Ashcroft)
1:2 - £890
1:1 - £1015

Linkage/Shifter
380 - incl w/ ashcroft
Tremec - inc w/ QD kit

Radiator - TBD
Intercooler - TBD
Fan - TBD
Piping - FAB/TBD

Steering box - 4 bolt needed
Steering Lines - ?

Drive Shafts -
R380 - N/A
Tremec ?

Diffs/Axles
R380 - N/A
Tremec ?

Gas pedal - Inc w/ Cummins
Brake Pedal - N/A
Clutch Pedal - N/A

Exhaust Manifold - Inc w/ Cummins
Exhaust Intermediate - Needs fabbed

Floor/Tunnel
Pre 94 - R380 Stumpy being used - Full R380 Conv Kit - $650 (mounts in later 300tdi/R380 location)
Pre 94 - R380 Long Nose - No changes from LT77 flooring or mount location

Gauges - Inc w/ Cummins
 
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Z.G

Z.G

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Floors & tunnels we have a kit for(assuming you have an pre 94 tdi), otherwise it's just the later floor/tunnel setup
 
Norton

Norton

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quick answers for my build. Also big shout out to Uncle Doug - he was/is extremely helpful answering all my dumb questions (y)

Linkage/Shifter - stock
Engine Mounts - supplied with Quickdraw

Radiator - custom - lots of new cooling hoses and fittings required
Intercooler - custom - see above
Fan - custom

Floor/Tunnel - stock
Steering box - stock - sort of - mine had a different one so i had to change to stock
Clutch - supplied with Quickdraw kit
Gauges - Murphy gauge supplied - I may add a few once we are up and running - Added a Mudd center console for additional room
Drive Shafts - stock
Diffs/Axles - stock
Gas pedal - supplied with kit
Brake Pedal - stock
Clutch Pedal - stock
Exhaust Manifold - supplied with kit - I went with the none DPF one
Exhaust Intermediate - custom TBD

Air Filter - mine had a snorkel that I wanted to retain - installed aftermarket inline filter with silicone hoses - still working on this.

Why not stick with the 380? then no need to change floors, tunnel, driveshafts, move mounts, etc.

Only full custom for me so far is the cooling system - still waiting on this and exhaust.

If we hadn't done a full restoration my project could have been relatively quick.

Feel free to reach out to me with any additional questions.

Also sent you a PM with my contact info.

Good luck.
 
WreckITFrank

WreckITFrank

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@Norton thanks for the info. Post up the cooling solution once you have it. I know Doug was discussing someone building a kit or something based on his findings as well.
 
donb

donb

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My plan is the same as Norton - long bellhousing R380 with a HD bearing so that a number of 2.5/200tdi items can be used as he listed out.

Downpipe should not be too difficult and should be able to tie into the stock exhaust once you get a crossover piece.

Norton - there aren't any off the shelf radiators that will work? It seems there are ample sizes made for the hot rod market. From Summit Racing: https://www.summitracing.com/search...00-in&SortBy=DisplayPrice&SortOrder=Ascending
 
Norton

Norton

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Norton - there aren't any off the shelf radiators that will work? It seems there are ample sizes made for the hot rod market. From Summit Racing: https://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/radiators/overall-height-range-in/15-000-in-15-999-in/overall-width-range-in/27-000-in-27-999-in/overall-height-in/15-500-in?N=overall-height-in:15-500-in&SortBy=DisplayPrice&SortOrder=Ascending
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Nice find. I'm sure we can source something but we are waiting on a kit (which uses the TD5 mounts which I already ordered) from Uncle Doug. He is waiting on his supplier - everything is a little screwed up with what's going on now which is understandable. If we don't have an answer soon we may have to explore other options.
 
Uncle Douglas

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Delay has been core material supplier for intercoolers. Our stuff is made for the application. Utilizes Defender td5/tdci upper mounts. Radiator requires different upper and lower elbows. Engine has a 1.75 outlet from tstat housing and 2.0 inlet into water pump. Intercooler nests to radiator- they bolt together and inlet/outlet elbows are matched to Cummins turbo and intake. Upper hose, I use a NAPA one that I shorten but is perfect for the application. Lower I use 2 inch id silicone and make it up. Differs between long and short. Fan I have been using is a high quality/ high cfm Spal unit. I'm of the position that a vehicles cooling system is paramount so may be over doing it but I'm building trucks for other people and don't want any issues.
Exhaust I delete the DPF and use a different Cummins outlet elbow- you can now buy these from Chad.
The outlet elbow uses a simple v band clamp/flange setup. I then buy a tight radius stainless mandrel bent 90. I have a local exhaust shop make the exhausts for us and utilize only a flowmaster center muffler. Routing of the exhaust is nearly identical to a puma/tdci system. Haven't tried to use the tdci system, primarily because its designed for a puny engine.
I'm using the Cummins bracket and tensioner and compressor for trucks with a/c. The a/c system Zack sells sans compressor has fit nicely. I had a batch of 10 a/c line manifolds made for the Cummins compressor (the compressor comes with no inlet outlet manifold) by a West coast company named Torfab, part is listed on their website. For the clutch, we have this figured out for R380 application but cant speak to the tremec. Chad includes the clutch as well as slave cyl and -4 adapter fitting with his kits.

Got an inquiry yesterday asking for help for LT230 linkage for the tremec from a fellow who bought from Axis. Per the fellow looking for help, they don't have one he can buy. Had one customer ask me how my installed price is cheaper than their kit price, his truck is here.
 
Norton

Norton

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Uncle Douglas said:
Got an inquiry yesterday asking for help for LT230 linkage for the tremec from a fellow who bought from Axis. Per the fellow looking for help, they don't have one he can buy. Had one customer ask me how my installed price is cheaper than their kit price, his truck is here.
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Ha similar experience - it only took one email from the other guy to realize that UC is the go to guy for a Cummins swap
 
WreckITFrank

WreckITFrank

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Red90

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With the stumpy install you need the R380 tunnel because the transfer case is mounted in the later R380 position.

With the long bellhousing R380, you mount the transfer case in the LT77 position and us the LT77 tunnel. Clear like mud?
 
WreckITFrank

WreckITFrank

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Red90 said:
With the stumpy install you need the R380 tunnel because the transfer case is mounted in the later R380 position.

With the long bellhousing R380, you mount the transfer case in the LT77 position and us the LT77 tunnel. Clear like mud?
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so if you have a post 94 vehicle or V8, you need a stumpy or to convert to earlier floor/tunnel?
 
donb

donb

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Uncle Douglas said:
Delay has been core material supplier for intercoolers. Our stuff is made for the application. Utilizes Defender td5/tdci upper mounts. Radiator requires different upper and lower elbows. Engine has a 1.75 outlet from tstat housing and 2.0 inlet into water pump. Intercooler nests to radiator- they bolt together and inlet/outlet elbows are matched to Cummins turbo and intake. Upper hose, I use a NAPA one that I shorten but is perfect for the application. Lower I use 2 inch id silicone and make it up. Differs between long and short. Fan I have been using is a high quality/ high cfm Spal unit. I'm of the position that a vehicles cooling system is paramount so may be over doing it but I'm building trucks for other people and don't want any issues.
Exhaust I delete the DPF and use a different Cummins outlet elbow- you can now buy these from Chad.
The outlet elbow uses a simple v band clamp/flange setup. I then buy a tight radius stainless mandrel bent 90. I have a local exhaust shop make the exhausts for us and utilize only a flowmaster center muffler. Routing of the exhaust is nearly identical to a puma/tdci system. Haven't tried to use the tdci system, primarily because its designed for a puny engine.
I'm using the Cummins bracket and tensioner and compressor for trucks with a/c. The a/c system Zack sells sans compressor has fit nicely. I had a batch of 10 a/c line manifolds made for the Cummins compressor (the compressor comes with no inlet outlet manifold) by a West coast company named Torfab, part is listed on their website. For the clutch, we have this figured out for R380 application but cant speak to the tremec. Chad includes the clutch as well as slave cyl and -4 adapter fitting with his kits.

Got an inquiry yesterday asking for help for LT230 linkage for the tremec from a fellow who bought from Axis. Per the fellow looking for help, they don't have one he can buy. Had one customer ask me how my installed price is cheaper than their kit price, his truck is here.
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Thanks for the intel UD (y)

Are the IC and Radiators you are working on just for your client's swaps or are you (or Chad) going to sell them?

I'll add that DPF delete and outlet elbow to my setup when the time comes. I don't mind making exhausts. It will be a pain in the ass with the RH side dump of the R2.8 but I had to deal with that on the OM617.

Funny about the Axis stuff. While searching for info on the radiator I came on a thread on I8Mud and a few of those guys were saying for Axis's prices they could easily buy a TIG box and other fab stuff.
 
Uncle Douglas

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donb said:
Thanks for the intel UD (y)

Are the IC and Radiators you are working on just for your client's swaps or are you (or Chad) going to sell them?

Funny about the Axis stuff. While searching for info on the radiator I came on a thread on I8Mud and a few of those guys were saying for Axis's prices they could easily buy a TIG box and other fab stuff.
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We aren't working on them,design/ prototype work was 2 yrs ago.. This is a third batch order, we have been ordering them in batches of 5, just trying a US based manufacturer that is in Michigan and supplies the big three. Our costs on a radiator intercooler and fan combo ordering 5 @ a time are around $2k. We have found the core materials cost is the same both sides of the pond.
These aren't cheap which is why you see shops cobbling shit together to save a buck.
Seems like the wrong corner to cut. There was an Axis/ECD R2.8 truck for sale on the web a few mos ago and the hoses under the hood looked like Medusa's head. Osprey also built one, similar plumbing. Haven't looked recently to see if they are still listed.
Exhaust is easy, no hassle,just different.
 
WreckITFrank

WreckITFrank

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What about steering? Does the pump output match the steering box pressure? Lines are custom I assume?
 
Uncle Douglas

Uncle Douglas

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Yes a high pressure line costs less than 60 to have made up for lhd,less than that for rhd. I use a hose with an fittings and just buy an adapter for the steering box to an.
 
13diamonds

13diamonds

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Any input on how you all have been mounting the Grid Heater Relay and ECM?. I'm currently planning a mounting bracket to move it behind the engine similar to Puma Defenders.

Also have you all looked at the Cummins Direct Flow or Optiair filters? Going to see if i can mount one have one of the air intakes come from the 200tdi wing intake.
 
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