New Defender, 2020

rocky

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Before this lock down I was test driving pick ups. You can count the 1500 diesels in Mass on the fingers of one hand. Gas is preferred. Go down to the Carolinas where wife’s family is, diesels are everywhere. I’m doubtful any dealer mechanics would know their way around the 3.0 diesel here in Mass. They just won’t see them often enough to understand them.
 

jymmiejamz

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The diesel in the Velar? In the US? I did not know that.

Yes, the Velar had it available. Maybe they have stopped for 2020MY, but I've definitely worked on a ton of them.

Anyway, you can see from my link, they have been destroying themselves with fuel dilution of the oil during dpf regen.

Didn't see the link, but that hasn't been my experience with them in NYC or LA. They have a 2 year/20k mile service interval which is definitely too long, but I've only seen a couple with any issues as a result of oil dilution. They have a service reminder message once the oil dilution is at 3.4% from what I remember. I've seen the oil dilution as high as 48% (calculated by PCM) and the vehicle didn't have any issues.

The most common problem with diesels is people misfueling them.
 

Red90

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The basic gist of it is that the oil analysis done on oils sampled when the computer says to change show really high engine wear numbers, most likely due to the fuel dilution. The numbers are 5 to 10 times higher than I've seen on any engine. Basically you would not want one of these engines past warranty. They are time bomb before the bearings spin or the rings let go.
 

RBBailey

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Is the jury still out after this?

Well, the D90 was fairly well outfitted, and the New Defenders are stock, so....
 

jymmiejamz

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Is the jury still out after this?

Well, the D90 was fairly well outfitted, and the New Defenders are stock, so....

I didn’t watch the video, but does anyone actually care how good it is off road? Pretty much any modern vehicle traction control would run circles around a Defender off road. An FJ Cruiser is probably great off road compared to an FJ40, but it’s still lame AF
 

RBBailey

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Yes, I'm waiting to hear from my friend who ordered a 90, and was originally told it would be here in March.
 

1of40

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I didn’t watch the video, but does anyone actually care how good it is off road? Pretty much any modern vehicle traction control would run circles around a Defender off road. An FJ Cruiser is probably great off road compared to an FJ40, but it’s still lame AF
Exactly. The comparison should be doing 100mph down the highway with the kids and wife licking ice cream cones and listening to music.
 

Red90

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I didn’t watch the video, but does anyone actually care how good it is off road? Pretty much any modern vehicle traction control would run circles around a Defender off road.

Defenders have had traction control for a decade.

In any case a rear locker will make any Defender run circles around a Pretender.
 

waveridin1959

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Saw one in Raleigh. I'm still not impressed seeing it in person.
 

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RBBailey

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The Newfender fails pretty badly compared to the old in that video. Even the mild 110 practically walks up what the Newfender spends 10 minutes trying to do.
 

WreckITFrank

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I didn’t watch the video, but does anyone actually care how good it is off road? Pretty much any modern vehicle traction control would run circles around a Defender off road. An FJ Cruiser is probably great off road compared to an FJ40, but it’s still lame AF
You should watch. It's not what you think it is. LR should pay to remove it. 😉
 

O2batsea

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Watching the video above, my thoughts are more like, why are they hitting the brakes so much? They aren't using any momentum they gain cz they stomp on the big pedal as soon as they clear an obstacle. The poor truck is not exactly the one at fault in this worthless compro. I may be wrong and of course I have no experience driving in Israel.
 

donb

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Watching the video above, my thoughts are more like, why are they hitting the brakes so much? They aren't using any momentum they gain cz they stomp on the big pedal as soon as they clear an obstacle. The poor truck is not exactly the one at fault in this worthless compro. I may be wrong and of course I have no experience driving in Israel.

Agree. I also wonder if a little more sidewall on the tires would have helped the Defender 2.

I saw one at the local dealer a couple of weeks ago. I didn't get to drive it but got to look around the inside and outside for a bit. I can see why JLR built it the way they did. It's a new dealership and man the direction JLR is going with their new look is way too glossy (but that could be a whole other discussion).

I liked:
- The door panels with the exposed screw heads (I hope they are really fasteners)
- Most of the the dash (the center part is open which is good but doesn't seem like you could store much)
- The rear with the rubber/plastic flooring and flat fold seat would be a treat for hauling dogs, mtn bike stuff and wet ski gear.
- Some of the exterior angles look pretty good.

I did not like:
- Wheels - from the pictures I've seen the steel wheel should be the staple. Or an aluminum version of it. The 5 star silver 20" alloys seem generic.
- The thick C pillar is horrible and I have no clue why they designed it that way. I think more traditional looks on the top half would have done it a lot better.
- The new dealership look and feel. I guess that is the clientele now but Land Rover seems to be loosing it soul. Same with the Jaguar side too.

The people that buy these are not concerned about LR heritage. It will be an upscale Jeep. Practically all of the Jeeps I see in my area are accessories anyways (add all the F-150's that haven't hauled anything in the beds)
 

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rocky

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Watching the video above, my thoughts are more like, why are they hitting the brakes so much? They aren't using any momentum they gain cz they stomp on the big pedal as soon as they clear an obstacle. The poor truck is not exactly the one at fault in this worthless compro. I may be wrong and of course I have no experience driving in Israel.

Wonder if the ABS/traction control system is triggering that.
 
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