Grnrvrs... Thanks for reply and I'll call ZG. RN used to carry this but it's been discontinued for a while they don't seem to make an all metal version with that big latch on top, and the foldable cup holders adds versatility. I've had a tuffy before in a old jeep and I like them but they don't seem to make one without the radio compartment anymore and I don't need that feature. But if this exmoore one doesn't show up soon I'll give them a call and see what what they have maybe it's not on their website.