erover82
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What replaced the nicest "thing"?
Grenadier
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What replaced the nicest "thing"?
vtlandrover
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What people here refer to as a "Pretender."
evilfij
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It’s too bad Grenadier did not do a deal with Toyota (like lotus did) rather than BMW for drivetrains. The 5.7 (or even 5.0 or 4.6) V8 would have been fantastic in one. Hell, even the 4.0 V6 or 2.7 4 banger would have been great. Then again, unlike BMW, Grenadier will compete directly with Toyota.
vtlandrover
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Not at all. Nice try.
There's a big difference between "nicest" and "best." I am 100% satisfied with my '22 110... at this rate, I may well not trade it for a Grenadier, as sitting behind the wheel it does everything I ask of it, some of which is better than the 200-Series LC. This includes ground clearance (LC running boards get hung up on the rocks, don't 'ya know); towing (beyond weight, the '22 computers are way more attuned to sudden steering inputs than the '11 was); comfort (cooling seats and heated steering wheel are pretty swell), lighting, and acceleration (giddy up!) among other attributes. I have yet to do anything but oil changes in 20k miles on the 110... even the LC went in more often than that. The '22 110 is overall the best SUV I've owned.
What is better about the LC than the 77 (+/-) other cars I've owned, you ask? Again, the build quality. Plastic isn't where metal should be; the transmission selector has a weight to it that an electric switch can't match (I note that the Grenadier appears to have the same stupid "lever" that my '16 328xi had - which didn't always go into "park" when pressed); and I've never had anything so overbuilt (I've written before about the fact it has TWO knobs in the tailgate for the toolkit access cover and TWO straps to undo the toolkit and TWO levers to slide open to access the tools).
To each their own and while I've said many a time that the '22 110 isn't aesthetically pleasing, it sure is functially satisfying when I'm behind the wheel.
LRNAD90
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rocky
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My sense is that TFL was a great example of first adopter remorse. Or why you shouldn’t buy the first year of anything.
Toyota has had a number of problems with the new Tundra, ranging from Turbos to Axles. While Ford F-150 has had axle issues with the Powerboost variant, my F150 has been trouble free except for leaky sunroof that gets fixed in a few days. I suspect the drains became disconnected.
Toyota has had a number of problems with the new Tundra, ranging from Turbos to Axles. While Ford F-150 has had axle issues with the Powerboost variant, my F150 has been trouble free except for leaky sunroof that gets fixed in a few days. I suspect the drains became disconnected.
blueboy
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Or with Merc given INEOS is a principal partner with the MB F1 Team as well as a third equal shareholder. Pretty strong connection. Wouldn’t have thought Merc would be concerned about losing G Wagon sales yet must be some reason. Or did I miss something in the previous posts that mentioned why?
Aesthetics are personal, but most complaints about the new Def design aren't because of what it is, but of what it isn't: It's not enough like the old Def. JLR didn't even try to do what Ineos is doing, and many see it as a huge miss. Ratcliffe started with a sketch on a pub napkin about 5 years ago, while Rover had been building trucks for 70 years.
The Gren will be a more utilitarian vehicle and will suit some people better. It has a purposeful look but won't win any beauty contests.
The Gren will be a more utilitarian vehicle and will suit some people better. It has a purposeful look but won't win any beauty contests.
Do Toyota people make fun of FJ Cruisers in the same way that Land Rover people do with the Pretender? I can’t decide if all Toyota people are influencers or not
evilfij
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No, because the FJ Cruiser is a 4Runner with a different body. Toyota people, like their vehicles, tend to be boring (barring the old school guys rock crawling in 80s pick ups).
The new defender is nothing like an original. Nothing. FJ is an odd updated body of an FJ40 on a ladder frame. Sort of like if they built the new defender on an Lr4.
erover82
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I was browsing “Working in the Wild: Land Rover’s Manual for Africa” last night. It surprisingly begins with a foreword by HRH princess Anne and then proceeds through several chapters of very practical advice on every topic relevant to vehicle use in remote areas. It struck me that we’d likely never again see LR offering such a guide. However, I could see Ineos doing so.
LRNAD90
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You have that in PDF form by chance, seems like it would be a fun read..
vtlandrover
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Book Working in The Wild SMR684MI RNF287 | Rovers North - Land Rover Parts and Accessories Since 1979
Land Rover's Manual for Africa. Designed to equip Land Rover users with the practical know-how it takes to make the most of the vehicle's capacity for hard work in hostile conditions. Additional Images:
Andrew
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They did do a deal with Toyota, by proxy through Magna Steyr. Same drivetrain as the Supra.
Andrew
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Appears to be customer deliveries.
thefarmingforum.co.uk
Grenadier misses yet another promised sales date
But the market will not be for regular shopping and commuter cars, which are becoming well served by EV, but for commercial use in somewhat bigger base vehicles. It’s not pie in the sky - it’s happening. Off topic. I wonder if hydrogen/electric will ever be commercially viable?
thefarmingforum.co.uk
Working in the Wild is a fun read but contains mainly advice on how to conduct fleet operations in austere environments. It does however contains some gems like repairing a cracked engine block by drilling a bunch of holes along the crack, packing with prairie grass, and using a bunch of self-tapping screws to seal it all up.