Grenadier
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FlyersFan76
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Portal axles
erover82
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Product development shot? From who? This would be the way to go.. preserve suspension geometry and gain real ground clearance.
evilfij
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If this is a factory option like on G-wagen I am now interested again.
FlyersFan76
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Saw it one of the too many FB pages focused on one vehicle. Lol
Found the forum a little bit ago.
Apparently Sir Jim was there at some point.
Found the forum a little bit ago.
Apparently Sir Jim was there at some point.
WreckITFrank
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Since magna did the entire driveline, I would assume it would be one of their setups? Looking real nice.
WreckITFrank
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I'm trying to like those wheels but they are just too much Terrafirma for me. A set of evo corse maybe or some method I'm thinking. Going with steel 18's to start. Anyone else?Appears to be customer deliveries.
Grenadier misses yet another promised sales date
But the market will not be for regular shopping and commuter cars, which are becoming well served by EV, but for commercial use in somewhat bigger base vehicles. It’s not pie in the sky - it’s happening. Off topic. I wonder if hydrogen/electric will ever be commercially viable?thefarmingforum.co.uk
erover82
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If this is a factory option like on G-wagen I am now interested again.
Looked into it. It’s developed by LeTech. Their portal axle setup for G-Wagens retails around 85k.
FlyersFan76
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Is that for the independent suspension G-Wagens or the straight axles. I know the G-Wagen(s) that Predator Motorsports from San Diego were pretty hefty in price because of that. Not sure how much the custom parts from Germany during the height of covid when Germany was shut down contributed to those prices. I know the delays did though.
I thought I read that the Grenadier set up might have been $20k but I was browsing on my phone and might have misread the whole thread.
Thank you @pfshoen and @blueboy for the encouragement. I have glanced about on this site (and others) in an attempt to gain a modicum of understanding of Land Rover ins & outs. If you will indulge me for a moment I will recount how I fell in love with older Series vehicles...
When I was a young boy I saw, on a very few rare occasions, what I eventually learned was a Land Rover. This happened no more than three times but I was smitten. Unlike my peers I didn't have anything more than a passing interest in the sports cars of the era or even old WWII Jeeps. I finally learned what the vehicle was when I pointed it out to a nearby adult. I don't remember seeing one again for several years. Thereafter began my quest to learn about this strangely unique looking contraption. Eventually I found a few adverts in the back of a periodical for a couple of parts houses who also offered vehicles for sale. They were both on the east coast of the U.S. (One was in New England and the other somewhere further south along the eastern seaboard.) Tucking a few bills into envelopes I sent away for their catalogs. When they arrived I poured over them endlessly and dreamed of living and traveling around the country and possibly around the world in one of these rugged little spartan vehicles. When I was old enough to drive, I called both businesses seeking seeking advice and asking how to purchase one. Alarmingly, both businesses shot me down and suggested, albeit politely, that I go away and not bother them. Ever. This would have been 1974.
I was crushed and even doubted my judgement for a good six months. I'm sure I got pimples. How could I have been so wrong? Eventually I discarded the catalogs and moved on. Living within a stone's throw of several major Land Cruiser parts houses I eventually fell into the Toyota camp. I even refused to look at the mid '90s NAS offerings when they arrived despite the persistent attempts of a total stranger to convince me to do so. I basically ignored the Defender and all Land Rovers until about two years ago when we decided we needed a long-term maintainable 4X4 wagon and I had determined that, for the most part, the older FJ55s. 60, and 80s were foolish to invest any time or money into for the reasons I've stated elsewhere. That led me to the Grenadier.
As to moonlighting as an Ineos tech, well, I'm sure I can learn to read a scan tool. It ain't rocket science
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Yes, they do make fun of them. Or did initially when the hope was for a return to Land Cruiser's roots. What they wanted was a PX10 or equivalent. What they got was a rolling blind spot where you sat on the floor. Eventually the Toyota fan boys gave in and accepted the fact that there was not going to be any more simple, rugged Toyota 4X4s in the U.S. They are now the Toyota equivalent of a Defender 90. If you want a 110 you buy a 4Runner.
The same fervor seems to be picking up again with the expectation of the new 6th generation 4Runner due out in a year or two. No doubt the vehicle will have some sort of "retro" styling ala Ford's new Bronco line but it will be chock full of tech and clever as all get out with modes and gimmicks and luxury appointments. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not holding my breath.
LeTech: EXCITING!
Today, my wife an me made a trip to LeTech in Baden-Württemberg (yes, that's a difficult word, isn't it?). It was about the color. I had called a number of agents and asked whether they have a Scottish White car on display. None had. Matzker, Scheerer and as turned out no agent in entire...
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Why 18's? Being out-of-touch with modern wheel sizes, I asked the local 4WD place and they emphatically said, "go 17's 100%" !
I'm also going with (5) alloy wheels. This strategy served me well for 16-years on my D1.
The prototypes had white frames to monitor for cracks, etc during testing. It's my understanding that, regardless of color chosen, the process will be the same for each frame. Therefore there's no advantage in terms or rust protection for one color versus another. Pick your favorite!
Doing a frame off is pretty labor intensive but also fun in a way. I've done them but never on a new vehicle. I'd wait until you're out of warranty before completely disassembling your Grenadier just to haul the frame to the galvanizing plant.
WreckITFrank
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I assume cathodic dipped and powder is pretty decent in comparison to what we have in other vehicles. Add some local oil/wax coating and should stand up to a few years of salt brine at least. Galvy and powder would have been pretty fantastic, but something needs to rot eventually.
My d90 was starting to get a rust hole in the rear of the frame rail, but it never spread in my years of ownership.
If the Gren frame doesn't avoid the Def's propensity to rot, they can keep it.
Although cathodic dip and powdercoat are better than the old Def's factory finish, there are other measures they can take. Adding rear wheelwell liners that keep tire slop away from the frame (and body), and a rear x-member that isn't designed to collect and hold muck would help.
Gwyn Lewis 4x4 sells underbody mudshields for Defs that keep some of the muck off important bits. The Gren should have all that from the factory.
If you don't run mudflaps front and rear, you're not doing yourself any favors.
Although cathodic dip and powdercoat are better than the old Def's factory finish, there are other measures they can take. Adding rear wheelwell liners that keep tire slop away from the frame (and body), and a rear x-member that isn't designed to collect and hold muck would help.
Gwyn Lewis 4x4 sells underbody mudshields for Defs that keep some of the muck off important bits. The Gren should have all that from the factory.
If you don't run mudflaps front and rear, you're not doing yourself any favors.
vtlandrover
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Minor, but nice detail... in their "Journey Across Australia" video from last week, there's a couple of scenes of them preparing the vehicles. One shows the bonnet leaning against the windscreen - allowing full access to the engine bay.