Grenadier

Nick&Nora

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How many city people have access to a garage, and have a garage with a charging space?
I'm not sure how representative it is, but the garage in NYC where my diesel-burning 110 gets parked has a few charging stations.
 

pfshoen

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Small two seat commuter = Electric OK for 50 miles or so per day.
Normal four door vehicles, to something I would use for long trips = Hybrid, or it makes no sense.

That's why I never gave the Rivian a serious look. What do you do after you've gone 350 miles, and are now 2 hours back-roads driving to the nearest fuel station where you could pay to rent their 120v outlet while you sit in their parking lot for 8 hours to recharge?

So gas/diesel is still king till we get serious hybrids, or till we have some big jumps in solar and battery technology.

On another note, I do think there is some risk to the future of Grenadier. In other words, How many do they really expect to sell in the 3rd or 4th or 5th year? Will they essentially sell all that they are going to be able to sell in the first two years? I almost think that is the real reason for the delay to North America. It is a planned delay to get them over that hump to the point where they can still be selling the new vehicles to half the globe, while the other half may be done buying them. I don't know enough about the market potential to speculate more, but it seems to be a potential danger.

Also, I think Grenadier's web site might be crashed off and on right now. I can't go back and drool over my build.
Grenadier sales will be a good measure of the "Defender demand" that Rover ignored when they ended Defender production. If Grenadier sales stall within a few years, McGovern will look prescient, and imho that's highly unlikely.
 

D901560

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I’ve been an EV owner for about two years and most of what has been said both good and bad is true. My wife wanted a a Tesla and at first I was not keen on the idea. In addition to the Defender I’ve also usually owned some sort of fast European sedan. We ended up getting performance trim Tesla as a compromise and somehow it’s both the fastest and best daily driver I’ve ever owned yet also one the least inspiring vehicles. We live in a single family home close to downtown with a level 2 charger. The Dallas metro area is huge so its very common to drive 100 miles or more round trip to visit a client or see friends in the suburbs and the car will handle that with ease with plenty of charge to spare, Even longer trips are fine as long they are are along well traveled interstate routes and don’t require more than one or two charges. Thirty minutes per charge starts to add long delays. I drive to NM, CO, UT a couple times per year and i can’t imagine taking an EV through long stretches of rural highway travel so for now I‘ll keep a ICE vehicle. Maybe more mainstream EVs like the F150 will begin to change the rural landscape so a truck like the Rivian would make more sense for adventure travel. Despite some of the current short comings I’m convinced EVs will eventually be the future. To me a hybrid has extra complexity and all of the drawbacks of an ICE engine like maintenance and it doesn’t really make sense to add a battery for 30 miles of range.
 

Eliot

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Tons of buildings in NYC have parking garages with electric car charging stations.

You need a spot for every car in the city. Charging takes a couple of hours and will take place at night. And real estate is hugely expensive.

Compare the cost foot print to a gas station, which can serve 100s of cars in a day.
 

RBBailey

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Anyone try a build yet? Post a pic. The Australian site will allow you to put the bull bar on.
 

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pfshoen

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OK, I give up.
What are the cargo tie down points on the doors and rear body for?
The gull wing option really shows where Ineos' head is at. Like the guy in the TV commercial says, "Who does that?"
Personally, I hope they sell a million Grenadiers. Maybe help to get JLR's mind right.
 

RBBailey

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The obvious answer is a nice solid table. But I can't figure out how many tables they want us to have.
 

rocky

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These 30-50 miles on battery power hybrids just doesn’t make sense. They are neither one nor the other.
As for Tesla type pure electric, until you can drive to a typical rest area and recharge on long trips in under 30 minutes, rather than parking near a Walmart or Arby’s in a sketchy part of town miles off the interstate, for hours on end, they are dead to me, and I favor pure Ice for my interstate trips.
The infrastructure cost of electrifying rest areas with hundreds of chargers, has to be in the billions. And that’s before you build additional power plants to power them.
 

Eliot

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The infrastructure cost of electrifying rest areas with hundreds of chargers, has to be in the billions. And that’s before you build additional power plants to power them.

I think we’ll come up with a different paradigm before that happens
 

RBBailey

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If a vehicle like a Jeep or Defender were out that had a respectable modern engine, and could also go about 75 miles on all electric, I'd be all over it. I could drive on electric almost 90% of the time that I use the vehicle. I guess the tech isn't there yet.

Here's what I came up with if I suddenly felt like I should buy a new car. Otherwise, I'm waiting till about 2025 to see if I can track down something used from that point on. The GWagen is great, but at some point it becomes a classic, old vehicle, with old vehicle liabilities and costs. I will still have a Disco I, and the '65 IIa, so I can't have something like that as a daily.

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Eliot

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If a vehicle like a Jeep or Defender were out that had a respectable modern engine, and could also go about 75 miles on all electric, I'd be all over it. I could drive on electric almost 90% of the time that I use the vehicle. I guess the tech isn't there yet.

Here's what I came up with if I suddenly felt like I should buy a new car. Otherwise, I'm waiting till about 2025 to see if I can track down something used from that point on. The GWagen is great, but at some point it becomes a classic, old vehicle, with old vehicle liabilities and costs. I will still have a Disco I, and the '65 IIa, so I can't have something like that as a daily.

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The Sand color looks great

The C/D pillar window makes sense to me now. It was designed to be an access hatch first. Which is why it’s a different shape than the driver and passenger windows.

It looks less funky when you choose the Gull wing option, or just blank it out, with the utility panel option.
 

RBBailey

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I'd want a gull wing only on the driver's side. The visibility out that rear passenger side is too good to cut off permanently. At least, that's how it was in the Defender, and in the G.
 
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