yes a newer epa approved engine transplant is encouraged.
Cummins Repower ISF 2.8 for Defenders
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yes a newer epa approved engine transplant is encouraged.
Al Blue4.6l
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Before import?
RDavisinVA
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I wouldn't attempt prior to import, DOT may decide not to grant their waiver if the truck is not configured as originally built.
Engines bought outside the US will not have the warranty etc that this stateside crate engine program will carry. You can buy one of these engines on Alibaba and import yourself but it will have no warranty.
Has anybody here ever bought anything from Alibaba? I'm afraid to or I don't need 15,000 M8 bolts.
For the brave person.....
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/brand-new-engine-Cummins-ISF2-8_312280798.html?s=p
The_Vermonster
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The woman in the photo is one of the engineers, and I happen to know her from high school. I should try asking her about pricing.
It would be sweet to use one of these motors and do a EGR and exhaust delete. Since you're not trading in the truck, who cares? This could be a reliable option if you can eliminate the emissions bullshit, which is a weakness of these modern diesels, at least until they perfect the technology.
I'm also curious about what sort of computer control this motor needs. How big is the ECU and are the cables extendable so that you could place it in dry spot inside the cab? That's one thing I love about my 300Tdi. No ECU and a low chance of electrical gremlins so long as you can keep the fuel solenoid and starter working.
I'm also curious about what sort of computer control this motor needs. How big is the ECU and are the cables extendable so that you could place it in dry spot inside the cab? That's one thing I love about my 300Tdi. No ECU and a low chance of electrical gremlins so long as you can keep the fuel solenoid and starter working.
My understanding was they were going for 2000 or so model year emissions certification. Meaning the engine would be legal for install into vehicles built before that date. The engine comes complete with wiring harness and ecu. The harness is set up for both canbus and analog gauges. The ecu is small, not much larger than a din mount stereo. The fuel pump is mounted on the engine and no other pump is required. I don't recall if the engine comes with a cat or not. I think that depended on HP/torque/emissions tune the installer desires. There were two tunes available as of last fall 165hp and the second around 205.
As far as waterproofing goes, they had the thing running 8ft or so underwater for 45 mins in the pond crossing video and it never skipped a beat
As far as waterproofing goes, they had the thing running 8ft or so underwater for 45 mins in the pond crossing video and it never skipped a beat
That's fantastic. Thanks, Doug.
Realistically, though, model year 2000 emissions sounds a little risky for a CA truck build. I'm not sure if I would bet on a pre-urea motor being legal in the future if I lived out there.
I'm looking forward to the first conversion kit. We'll create a forum for it on NAS-ROW once the motor is available.
Realistically, though, model year 2000 emissions sounds a little risky for a CA truck build. I'm not sure if I would bet on a pre-urea motor being legal in the future if I lived out there.
I'm looking forward to the first conversion kit. We'll create a forum for it on NAS-ROW once the motor is available.
I wouldn't worry about an exhaust delete. Its just a catalyst. Won't plug up like a DPF or SCR. It'll just work. Also many newer diesels require a certain amount of back pressure. Instead of having to source a muffler...to do the exact same. Might as well use the approved module that comes with the engine. Also said module can be mounted somewhere along the chassis rail or in the stock muffler location.
EGR...yeah I could see that. I don't know if their EGR is cast iron or aluminum. If its aluminum, then its ok.
Reliability...on newer diesels...clean filters and clean fuel. That'll prevent most of the problems seen with newer diesels. Especially ones that have a simple EAT system like this one. No dumping old motor oil or transmission fluid into the tank and using it. Only clean pump fuel. Oh and send the return fuel back to the tank. That will save a lot of issues.
Typically these high pressure common rail diesels have some sort of lift pump. Usually a little electric deal. But the high pressure pump is engine driven.
EGR...yeah I could see that. I don't know if their EGR is cast iron or aluminum. If its aluminum, then its ok.
Reliability...on newer diesels...clean filters and clean fuel. That'll prevent most of the problems seen with newer diesels. Especially ones that have a simple EAT system like this one. No dumping old motor oil or transmission fluid into the tank and using it. Only clean pump fuel. Oh and send the return fuel back to the tank. That will save a lot of issues.
Typically these high pressure common rail diesels have some sort of lift pump. Usually a little electric deal. But the high pressure pump is engine driven.
Roverman2010
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The_Vermonster
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So in short it looks like they are waiting on the EPA cert. I bet the initial price is very high. I'm sure a significant number of the surveys they received were from people in Cali.
rovercolorado
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I'm sure many got this email today but I figured I would post it for further information.
Repower survey or signed up online to be notified when these engines are available for purchase. Your voice brought this program to life and I am grateful for that. The entire Cummins team is thrilled with the overwhelmingly positive response from enthusiasts like you from all over the world.
Every day we are asked, ?When can I buy the R2.8?? and, ?How much will it cost?? While we aren?t quite ready to announce those details yet, I assure you our team is working tirelessly to perfect our R2.8 Turbo Diesel package based on your feedback, in order to live up to your expectations for Cummins quality.
As explained in the formal announcement of Cummins Repower at the 2016 SEMA Show, our start of sales date is dependent upon emissions certification. We will only launch once we can provide customers clear guidance as to which vehicle vintage and weight class our certifications will cover. Cummins Repower?s most important objective is to offer enjoyable, reliable and compliant engines to keep your Repowers on the road or trail for years to come, and eliminate the confusion at the license branch and smog referee.
I have had the distinct pleasure of driving many of our test vehicles thousands of miles in many different configurations over the past several years, and I plan to be first in line to buy one. When it comes to what you would expect from a Cummins, the R2.8 does not disappoint ? giving any qualifying vehicle a turbo-charged diesel breath of new life.
There will be a few Cummins R2.8 test vehicles running around at this year?s Easter Jeep Safari and Overland Expo West. We hope you will stop by and check them out. We should have more updates to share by then as well.
Also, tune in to upcoming episodes of Xtreme Off-Road on Power Nation TV to watch as the R2.8 Turbo Diesel is installed into a wildly modified Land Rover Defender 90 by host Ian Johnson.
In the meantime, keep planning your builds, posting on social media using the hashtag #CumminsRepower, and keep the questions coming. See you all in the spring!
Very Respectfully,
Steve Sanders
Business Development Manager
Automotive & Enthusiast Segment
Cummins Inc.
Repower survey or signed up online to be notified when these engines are available for purchase. Your voice brought this program to life and I am grateful for that. The entire Cummins team is thrilled with the overwhelmingly positive response from enthusiasts like you from all over the world.
Every day we are asked, ?When can I buy the R2.8?? and, ?How much will it cost?? While we aren?t quite ready to announce those details yet, I assure you our team is working tirelessly to perfect our R2.8 Turbo Diesel package based on your feedback, in order to live up to your expectations for Cummins quality.
As explained in the formal announcement of Cummins Repower at the 2016 SEMA Show, our start of sales date is dependent upon emissions certification. We will only launch once we can provide customers clear guidance as to which vehicle vintage and weight class our certifications will cover. Cummins Repower?s most important objective is to offer enjoyable, reliable and compliant engines to keep your Repowers on the road or trail for years to come, and eliminate the confusion at the license branch and smog referee.
I have had the distinct pleasure of driving many of our test vehicles thousands of miles in many different configurations over the past several years, and I plan to be first in line to buy one. When it comes to what you would expect from a Cummins, the R2.8 does not disappoint ? giving any qualifying vehicle a turbo-charged diesel breath of new life.
There will be a few Cummins R2.8 test vehicles running around at this year?s Easter Jeep Safari and Overland Expo West. We hope you will stop by and check them out. We should have more updates to share by then as well.
Also, tune in to upcoming episodes of Xtreme Off-Road on Power Nation TV to watch as the R2.8 Turbo Diesel is installed into a wildly modified Land Rover Defender 90 by host Ian Johnson.
In the meantime, keep planning your builds, posting on social media using the hashtag #CumminsRepower, and keep the questions coming. See you all in the spring!
Very Respectfully,
Steve Sanders
Business Development Manager
Automotive & Enthusiast Segment
Cummins Inc.
I've been searching for info on this for a bit but I can't seem to find anything. What transmission would work on this build. I would like to use a Puma bulkhead that I have. It seems like if there was an adapter for the 6l80 with nicks adapter for the LT230 it would create I nice setup. What is needed for the SAE 12 bolt on the motor to pair with the 6l80e? An adapter plate that no one has made yet or is there something already out there?
MountainD
Technical Excellence Contributor
Diesel Conversion and one other I can't recall is making the adapter from the NV3550 to the LT230. Advance Adapters is making an adapter from the R2.8 to the NV3550.
Not sure about a slushbox.
http://www.advanceadapters.com
https://www.dieselconversion.com/land-rover-lt230-transfer-case-to-dodge-nv4500-adapter.html
Not sure about a slushbox.
http://www.advanceadapters.com
https://www.dieselconversion.com/land-rover-lt230-transfer-case-to-dodge-nv4500-adapter.html
DefendersNW
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We've got a crate repower project in the works with a NV3550 planned...
I drove one in a 110 before I bought my 300Tdi. I just wanted to see if it would tell me what it might be like. The Cummings should be a bit more powerful than the 300Tdi.
It felt pretty good. It took hills well, and although it was not quick, it was quick enough. Certainly was drivable on modern streets, etc...
It felt pretty good. It took hills well, and although it was not quick, it was quick enough. Certainly was drivable on modern streets, etc...